Gaslight Digest Tuesday, April 6 1999 Volume 01 : Number 060


In this issue:


   Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!
   Lovecraft
   Re:  Lovecraft
   Re:  Lovecraft
   Today in Hostory - April 1
   Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>
   Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!
   Re: Lovecraft and Marianne
   Lovecraft...adjectivitis?  Non!
   Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!
   Re: Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>
   WWW etext avail: Not the Sherlock Holmes page
   Re: Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>
   Today in History - April 2
   Re:  Today in History - April 2
   Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected
   CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost
   Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost
   Re:  Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost
   Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost
   Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost
   Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
   Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails
   Today in History - April 5
   Re: WWW etext avail: Not the Sherlock Holmes page
   CHAT: Lord Buckley website
   Robert E. Howard, and Ululating Uvulae

-----------------------------THE POSTS-----------------------------

Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:18:17 -0500
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!

In his classic end of the world masterwork, THE PURPLE CLOUD,
M. P. Shiel gave his opinion of art for art's sake while paying tribute
to his friend Arthur Machen.  In the novel Adam Jeffson returns alone
from the North Pole to a desolate world where every living creature
has been killed by a cloud of poison gas which circled the globe
following a volcanic eruption in the Pacific.  When he wanders
across England searching in vain for survivors, he stops awhile:

        ...It was the house of the poet Machen, whose name, when I saw it, I
        remembered well, and he had married a very beautiful young girl of
        eighteen, obviously Spanish, who lay on the bed in the large bright
        bedroom to the right of the loggia, on her left exposed breast being
        a baby with an india-rubber comforter in its mouth, both mother and
        child wonderfully preserved, she still quite lovely, white brow
under low
        curves of black hair.  The poet, strange to say, had not died with
them,
        but sat in the sitting-room behind the bedroom in a long loose
silky-grey
        jacket, at his desk-- actually writing a poem!  writing, I could
see,
        furiously fast, the place all littered with the written leaves--at
three o'clock
        in the morning, when, as I knew, the cloud overtook this end of
Cornwall,
        and stopped him, and put his head to rest on the desk; and the poor
little
        wife must have got sleepy, waiting for it to come, perhaps sleepless
for
        many long nights before, and gone to bed, he perhaps promising to
        follow in a minute to die with her, but bent upon finishing that
poem, and
        writing feverishly on, running a race with the cloud, thinking, no
doubt,
        'just two couplets more' till the thing came, and put his head on
the desk,
        poor carle: and I do not know that I ever encountered aught so
        complimentary to my race as this dead poet Machen, and his race with
        the cloud:  for it is clear now that the better kind of those poet
men did
        not write to please the vague inferior tribes who might read them,
but to
        deliver themselves of the divine warmth that thronged in their
bosom;
        and if all the readers were dead, still they would have written; and
for
        God to read they wrote.... [Grant Richards, London, 1901, pp
205-206.]

The young Spanish bride & child he describes were Shiel's own, Carolina
Garcia Gomez and Lola.  Machen was a witness at their marriage in London
in 1898.
    As to Lovecraft, though Derleth mentioned him in several letters to
Shiel,
Shiel pointedly made no comment about him in any of his replies to Derleth I
have
read.  I suspect Shiel would have been put off by Lovecraft's adjectivitis.
In
a letter to Malcolm Ferguson dated August 29, 1945 Shiel wrote:

        So many thanks for yours, and especially for "Polar Vortex", which
        I read with no little interest, though with some resentment at the
bad
        typing, which is as illegible as scribble; and some of the sentences
        are not very lucid--if you curse me now for saying it, you will
bless
        me in ten years' time.  This is what you need to concentrate on --
        clearness of meaning -- lucidity; and cut out the adjectives, "the
        adjective is the enemy of the noun, though it agrees with it in
        number and gender" (Voltaire), but, this said, I have nothing but
        admiration for the thing-- its achievement in tone and mood...
        [original letter in my collection.]

"Polar Vortex" was published in the September 1946 "Weird Tales".
Shiel repeated the Voltaire adjective quote in many letters, often, as
with Ferguson, while urging his correspondents to strive for lucidity in
their own writing, advice some who find little lucidity in Shiel might
see as ironic.

Returning to the depths, I remain,
yours, etc.
John Squires




- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gullette <alang(at)creative.net>
To: Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 3:27 PM
Subject: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!


>Deborah McMillion Nering wrote:
>
>>Somehow, knowing about Lovecraft the person, I don't think he was taking
>>the public into account at all.  Maybe as a professional writer he should
>>have, but on the other hand--he did have quite a loyal following (and
still
>>does).  His unique little group of followers, Derleth, Bloch, etc, may
have
>>been who he was really writing for.  Not what the tv writers aim at in
>>their Lowest Common Denominator.  And really, I admire him far more for
>>that.
>
>In my lengthy interview with S.T. Joshi, the Lovecraft scholar agreed that
>there was a contradiction in HPL concerning the "art for art's sake" pose
>that his gentlemanly stature required he assume toward his writing.  A
>quote may be of interest here:
>
>AG: Oates said that, "Like Poe, Lovecraft died believing himself an
>ignominious failure." Is that true?
>
>STJ: Oh, yes.  Absolutely.  I am sure he would have never realized the
>extent to which his work is now popular, and would have been astounded that
>his friends -- and, quite honestly, complete strangers like myself and
>others --- would have taken the effort to resurrect his work and pay so
>much attention to it.
>
>AG: Isn't there an inconsistency here.  He relied so much on the approval
>of his friends, other writers and the reading public, and yet he was always
>faithful to his own aesthetics of "art for art's sake."
>
>STJ: Oh, there is a clear contradiction, and I don't think Lovecraft either
>realized it or understood it emotionally.  There is no reason why he should
>have needed this kind of reassurance form others -- especially from others
>whose opinion he didn't really respect that much, like the pulp readership
>or the pulp editors.  Early in his life he said that "there are only seven
>people who really understand my work, and they're enough, and I would
>continue writing even if I were the only reader of my work." But he didn't
>seem to practice that principle.  I think emotionally he needed this
>reassurance.  I think he was maybe insecure or had some sort of inferiority
>complex.
>
>AG: Always, or did that become more a part of his character?
>
>STJ: Oh, I think it was always the case.
>
>AG: It wasn't a matter of running out of steam or getting too depressed by
>the rejections?
>
>STJ: No, because I think he got that assurance earlier on in his amateur
>years when he was a Titan in this extremely tiny little realm of amateur
>journalism, and initially he was the big fish in the pulp field as well.
>But as time went on and his time went on and his own work became simply too
>vast and complex for the pulp market that reassurance wasn't there.
>
>AG: So he never had a sense that he was writing for the future?
>
>STJ: It doesn't appear so.  I don't think he expected his work to last.
>Maybe in some deep recess of his imagination he hoped that it might, but I
>think he was pretty convinced that it wouldn't -- simply because of all the
>failures that he had in getting his books and his work published during his
>lifetime.
>
>
>Peter Wood wrote:
>
>>including someone's favourite, "eldritch", (which always sounds to me
>>like the first name of a 1960's activist, but I have a free-associating
>>mind, it seems).
>
>That would be Eldridge Cleaver; this from Microsoft Bookshelf:
>
>Literature 1968 -- Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver flees to Cuba in
>November 1968 to avoid going to prison for parole violations. Cleaver
>begins a 7-year exile.
>
>"If a man like Malcolm X could change and repudiate racism, if I myself and
>other former Muslims can change, if young whites can change, then there is
>hope for America."
>Eldridge Cleaver (b. 1935), U.S. black leader, writer. Soul on Ice, "The
>White Race and Its Heroes" (1968).
>
>I only bother to quote because he was a California writer!!  By the way,
>besides "parole violations" he fled to Cuba following a shootout with
>Oakland police...  That devil in those details...

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:32:24 -0700
From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com>
Subject: Lovecraft

>He relied so much on the approval of his friends, other writers and the
>reading >public, and yet he was always faithful to his own aesthetics of
>"art for art's sake."


Believe me, every artist needs validation on some level.  No matter how you
may disregard the public's opinion.  You may be painting, writing, dancing
your own work, your own vision and you'll do it regardless because to do
anything else is a little death--but it is nice to know that someone
understand it or empathizes in some way. It makes you feel a little less
alone in the universe especially if you're thinking is a little off beat!
I doubt Lovecraft would have been overwhelmed with absolute joy but it is
nice to know that generations later someone, anyone, still values what you
did.  On any level that must validate you for yourself however secure (or
insecure) you are.

Deborah

Deborah McMillion
deborah(at)gloaming.com
http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:18:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Zozie(at)aol.com
Subject: Re:  Lovecraft

I have a marvelous opportunity with my first year grad students (looking for
an Masters of Music as part of a Musical Theatre Division).  They don't know
Lovecraft.  Imagine that, my friends.  Clean page.

I teach here a two-year, four-semester course ambiguously called "Cultural
Perspectives."

Are you salivating, all you eggheads out there?

Well, the truth is, of course, not quite so radical.  But one of my topics is
the module on the Development of the Horror Genre.  (You can salivate again.)

They tend to be spooked by and to love Lovecraft.

best,
phoebe

Phoebe Wray
The Boston Conservatory
zozie(at)aol.com

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:40:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)UCLA.EDU>
Subject: Re:  Lovecraft

>I have a marvelous opportunity with my first year grad students (looking for
>an Masters of Music as part of a Musical Theatre Division).  They don't know
>Lovecraft.  Imagine that, my friends.  Clean page.
>
>I teach here a two-year, four-semester course ambiguously called "Cultural
>Perspectives."
>
>Are you salivating, all you eggheads out there?
>
>Well, the truth is, of course, not quite so radical.  But one of my topics is
>the module on the Development of the Horror Genre.  (You can salivate again.)
>
>They tend to be spooked by and to love Lovecraft.
>
>best,
>phoebe
>
>Phoebe Wray
>The Boston Conservatory
>zozie(at)aol.com

Many of our graduate students don't know very much, except theory.  And that
they don't understand {grin}.

Jack Kolb
Dept. of English, UCLA
kolb(at)ucla.edu

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:39:06 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in Hostory - April 1

              1863
                    The first wartime conscription law goes into effect in the 
U.S.
              1865
                    At the Battle of Five Forks in Petersburg, Va., Gen. Robert 
E. Lee begins his final
                    offensive.

     Born on April 1
              1815
                    Otto Von Bismarck, chancellor of Germany who founded the 
German Empire.  [Immortalized
                    by lending his name to a battleship, the capital of North 
Dakota, a cream-filled donut, and the
                    German superhighway system (think about that one)]
              1883
                    Lon Chaney, actor know as "man of 1,000 faces," remembered 
for his movies
                    High Noon, and Phantom of Opera

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 16:59:16 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>

Jerry C. brings to our attn:

>Born on April 1
>       1883
>Lon Chaney, actor know as "man of 1,000 faces," remembered for his movies
>High Noon, and Phantom of Opera

The _High noon_ credit belongs to Chaney's son, Lon Chaney Jr., since the
original Lon died shortly after his first talkie in 1930.

I've never seen Chaney Sr.'s last film, _The unholy three_.  Does he manipulate
his voice as well as he took on disguises?

                                   Stephen D
                          mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:20:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Kelly <kelly(at)bard.edu>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!

I want to say one thing about Lovecraft's style that needs saying.  The
gross overwriting & adjectivitis of which he stands accused, so that even
those who affect to like him think nothing of disdaining his style, might
well, now that we're past the naive New Criticism days of the 1940s and
1950s, be seen as in fact a deliberate artistic pressure on the texture of
language itself to indicate/encode/signal the presence of the very horrors
his overwrought adjectives mean to describe.  Describe?  Perhaps better to
say that Lovecraft's language, right there, is trying to BECOME the
vile, vast, proliferating, etc. overflowing turbid genetic excess his
stories deal with.  Language, in other words, is not describing the horror
but impersonating it.

This reading of his excessive language is supported by what we find in the
beginnings and quiet passages of his stories -- a crisp, economical
accuracy.

As so often (as they did with Poe) the French have shown a better insight
into the nature of Lovecraft's art, since they are not as obsessed as
American middle-class education is with decorum and economy.  And modern
French theory liberates our reading of language from an expectation of
mere equivalence between word and referent.

Lovecraft's language is a substance, a "color" out of space that entrains
in the reader the nausea and distress his characters experience.  Far from
dismissing HPL as an hysterical adjectivist, we should begin studying the
different registers within his texts, in the hope of understanding the
very nature of the cosmic obscenities he, more than any writer of his
time, sensed coming over the boundaries of history.

RK

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:45:17 -0700 (MST)
From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Marianne

I am unqualified, by background or education, to respond to Robert Kelly's
posting in any meaningful way. I find it fascinating though, that in his
view - and I quote:

<<As so often (as they did with Poe) the French have shown a better
insight into the nature of Lovecraft's art, since they are not as obsessed
as American middle-class education is with decorum and economy.>>

From what I have read (and this is not extensive, I admit) in social
histories and fictional works depicting 19C France, the French housewife
of that time was noted for exactly those two qualities - "decorum and
economy". I wonder if perhaps the renunciation of them by French literary
critics is a predictable reaction by males to what they consider "woman's
attitudes".
Peter Wood

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:57:32 -0700
From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com>
Subject: Lovecraft...adjectivitis?  Non!

> Far from dismissing HPL as an hysterical adjectivist

Thank you for this supportive view of Lovecraft's style.  Far from liking
but disdaining his style, I fully adore the adjectivitis.  But then, I love
to read Henry James and Poe and Dunsany and William Morris and George
MacDonald for all the same and different excesses.  It is interesting
though to think of the language being used as a tool to Become the horror.
I like that.

Merci for the Francais viewpoint!

Deborah

Deborah McMillion
deborah(at)gloaming.com
http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 17:25:38 -0800
From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft and Cleaver?!

Robert Kelly had some very interesting comments on
Lovecraft, among which he wrote:
<<Perhaps better to say that Lovecraft's language, right
there, is trying to BECOME the vile, vast, proliferating, etc.
overflowing turbid genetic excess his stories deal with.
Language, in other words, is not describing the horror
but impersonating it.>>

I agree completely.  The language in Lovecraft is as
much a part of the tale as the tale itself, as demonstrated
in this last story.  The first section is straight forward, reading
like a guide book to Egypt, however, only in the second
section, where appropriate to the story line, do the adjectives
begin to multiply like rabbits, scattered so thick and lush the
reader becomes almost overwhelmed, which is exactly
what Lovecraft intended.

<<As so often (as they did with Poe) the French have shown
a better insight into the nature of Lovecraft's art, since they are
not as obsessed as American middle-class education is with
decorum and economy.>>

Ah, this explains the existentialist preference for Jerry Lewis!
<g>

Patricia A. Teter

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 21:35:46 -0500 (EST)
From: TFox434690(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>

In a message dated 4/1/99 6:02:52 PM Central Standard Time,
sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA writes:

 Jerry C. brings to our attn:

 >Born on April 1
 >       1883
 >Lon Chaney, actor know as "man of 1,000 faces," remembered for his movies
 >High Noon, and Phantom of Opera

 The _High noon_ credit belongs to Chaney's son, Lon Chaney Jr., since the
 original Lon died shortly after his first talkie in 1930.

 I've never seen Chaney Sr.'s last film, _The unholy three_.  Does he
manipulate
 his voice as well as he took on disguises? >>


In the climatic scene Chaney's character, disguised as a woman is on the
witness stand undergoing cross-examination. at a critcal juncture his  voice
drops which gives his true idenity  away. He was very good in the role and
his untimely death was a great loss.

Tom Fox

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 22:15:49 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: WWW etext avail: Not the Sherlock Holmes page

(SLEUTHS.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos)
O. Henry's "The sleuths" (1911)

     I've set up a Sherlock Holmes parody page, which includes the new
     etext, "The sleuths" by O. Henry, and will link to more stories as
     they are either produced by Gaslight, or found elsewhere on the Internet.
     I'm very surprised that I couldn't find Twain's "Double-barrelled
     detective story" on the 'net.

     This page will expand to include some pastiches, such as Jerry Carlson's
     "Adventure of the white plume".


 Visit the Gaslight website at:

 http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/parody.htm

                                   Stephen D
                            mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:26:05 -0800
From: Robert Birchard <bbirchard(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Chaney, Sr. and Jr. <WAS: Today in Hostory - April 1>

sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA wrote:

> Jerry C. brings to our attn:
>
> I've never seen Chaney Sr.'s last film, _The unholy three_.  Does he 
manipulate
> his voice as well as he took on disguises?
>
>

     Chaney's voice is strong and versatile, despiet the fact he was dying of 
lung
cancer at the time of the production.  The voice he uses through the bulk of the
film has a bit of a gravel dge to it--not unlike the voice of Clark Gable, but 
with
a bit more theatrical influence.

     The 1930 "Unholy Three" plays on TCM occasionally.


- --
Bob Birchard
bbirchard(at)earthlink.net
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/Guest/birchard.htm

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:45:09 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - April 2

             1801
                  The British navy defeats the Danish at the Battle of 
Copenhagen.
            1865
                  Confederate President Jefferson Davis flees Richmond, 
Virginia as Grant breaks Lee's
                  line at Petersburg. Travelers to wartime Richmond had a wide 
choice of luxurious
                  hotels, inns and taverns.
            1910
                  Karl Harris perfects the process for the artificial synthesis 
of rubber.
            1914
                  The U.S. Federal Reserve Board announces plans to divide the 
country into 12
                  districts.
            1917
                  President Woodrow Wilson presents a declaration of war 
against Germany to
                  Congress.

     Born on April 2
            1805
                  Hans Christian Andersen, Denmark, author of 150 fairy tales
            1840
                  Emile Zola, French novelist, reporter
            1875
                  Walter P. Chrysler, founder of Chrysler automobile company
            1891
                  Max Ernst, German painter and sculptor, founder of surrealism

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:53:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Zozie(at)aol.com
Subject: Re:  Today in History - April 2

1917 - Jeannette Rankin of Montana becomes the first US Congresswoman when
the US House of Representatives convenes in a special session.

phoebe

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 16:03:45 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected

From: Stephen Davies(at)MRC on 04/03/99 04:03 PM


To:   Gaslight-announce(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
cc:
Subject:  Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected

(AMONGCOW.HTM) (Nonfic, Chronos)
J. Ewing Ritchie's "Amongst the cowboys" (1885)

(EVOLCOWP.HTM) (Nonfic, Chronos)
Owen Wister's "The Evolution of the Cow-Puncher" (1895)

(EVERLAST.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos)
Ingulphus' "The Everlasting Club" (1919)

(FEAR.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos)
Louis Hemon's "Fear" (1923)

(BONITA.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos)
Owen Wister's "La Tinaja Bonita" (1896)


     While I'm having trouble creating new etexts for Gaslight, here
     are five older ones which are now mounted on the website.

          amongcow.non
     J. Ewing Ritchie's "Amongst the cowboys" (1885) is a part of
     a travelogue thru Canada, this part describing, with disgust,
     Calgary.

          evolcowp.non
     Owen Wister's "The Evolution of the Cow-Puncher" (1895) is an
     essay about the cowboy, the last paragraph of which sums it up
     so well.

          everlast.sht
     Ingulphus was the pseudonym for Sir Arthur Gray, and this story,
     "The Everlasting Club" (1919), was prepared for us by Len Roberts.

          fear.sht
     Louis Hemon will never be forgotten in Canada for his novel _Maria
     Chapdelaine_ (1922 English edition), but here is one of his short
     stories, "Fear" (1923), which shows he could turn his hand in
     other directions.

          bonita.sht
     Owen Wister again, but with a fictional piece. "La Tinaja Bonita" (1896)
     presents an interesting Mexican/American triangle, and was prepared
     for us by Bob Champ.



 To retrieve all the original plain ASCII files send to:  ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA

 with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:


 open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
 cd /gaslight
 get amongcow.non
 get evolcowp.non
 get everlast.sht
 get fear.sht
 get boniat.sht

 or visit the Gaslight website at:

http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/amongcow.htm
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/evolcowp.htm
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/everlast.htm
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/fear.htm
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/bonita.htm

                                   Stephen D
                            mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 21:44:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost

      Happy Easter, Gaslighters -


            Since I have been a bit of a curmudgeon as to the recent
television productions that have come up the alley of our collective
interest, I am happy to say that I was quite entertained by the A & E
"Horatio Hornblower" episode. The pulpy action of the series is very well
suited to TV.....Some may recall that I also enjoyed the recent _Moby Dick_
and didn't issue sink on sight orders for _The Titanic_, so perhaps I need
to confess a slight fetish for sea stories which may affect my critical
perspective. I think not *too* much though and I suspect that some of us
will enjoy this series.
           Though of course wanting to like it, I was only able to bear a
few minutes of _The Lost World_ "courtesy" of TNT. Really brutal treatment
of the Conan Doyle story would send even a teenager fleeing for the safe
harbor of the silent version. The only redeeming features, so to speak, were
the fetching Jungle Queen outfits worn by some of the non-actresses. Sadly,
even this was insufficient justification for the program. My heart goes out
to the Doyle addicts on the list.

          Hopefully the recent slowdown on our reading schedule will allow
me some much-needed time to catch up.

                        James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Austin Dridge <adridge(at)panix.com>
Subject: Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost

James
  Just to really cheer you up (read sarcasm) the Lost World movie was the
pilot show of a series starting this summer on cable and getting
syndicated this fall.
                            Austin
- -----------------------
adridge(at)panix.com

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zozie(at)aol.com
Subject: Re:  Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost

In a message dated 4/5/99 3:05:13 AM, Austin wrote:

<< Just to really cheer you up (read sarcasm) the Lost World movie was the
pilot show of a series starting this summer on cable and getting
syndicated this fall.>>

Aaargh... we are catapulted to the 50's with this icky thing.  They obviously
borrowed T. rex from Jurassic Park and the apemen from Deep Space 9...  and,
of yeah, those "natives."  They, more than anything, reminded me of some of
those schlocky things from the 50's.  Hard to say who to cheer for.  Myself,
I was hoping for T. rex.  (And are they going to work in a little of
Bradbury's wonderful story The Sound of Thunder -- there was a big point made
about not changing anything....)

Like the Hornblower.  Except, of course, that silly thing -- announcing a
four-part serial and then asking if our hero will survive next week's
episode, "The Fire Ships."   Anyone else notice that the men are stooping
below decks?  Men were shorter back then -- wonder why the set didn't
accomodate that.  I can walk around anywhere on the USS Constitution (I'm 5
foot 3) but most of my friends have to duck...

Best
phoebe

Phoebe Wray
zozie(at)aol.com

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Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:10:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost

At 11:04 PM 4/4/99 -0400, Austin Dridge wrote:
>James
>  Just to really cheer you up (read sarcasm) the Lost World movie was the
>pilot show of a series starting this summer on cable and getting
>syndicated this fall.
>                            Austin

       Arrgh. Pretty dire news but it explains a lot. Nonetheless, I predict
a sufficiently underwhelming response to the pilot so that the green
eyeshade folks will show mercy to Western Civ. as we know it (or recall it)
and shelve this bad boy. Lets face it, this made Xena look like "Seven
Against Thebes".
       Phoebe, of course, is right to compare it to those old 50s/60s flicks
except that they were more fun, had Ray Harryhausen animation (when they
didn't use lizards with glued-on tail fins, that is), and occasionally
starred Raquel Welsh (Welch?) Plus I was quite a bit younger.  Now, I make
it a point to watch ALL prehistoric monster flicks as a matter of principle,
but this one was just too insulting. Besides, why even drag Doyle's name
into it?

                                James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:07:26 -0700
From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu>
Subject: Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails; Lost World still lost

With such a good review from James, I'm looking forward
to viewing the Hornblower episode tonight.  I suspect it
would have to be terrible before I was too critical, since it,
after all, is Napoleonic.  I confess, I even enjoy the Gregory
Peck Horatio Hornblower movie, which at times is plain
silly.

Too bad about the Lost World!  I hear the version shown
on TNT was not the Patrick Bergen version after all.  I wish
the original version would play rather than these recent
remakes which somehow miss the point entirely!

Patricia  (upset with the History Chanel for not showing the
remaining Sharpe's episodes; they get us hooked and then
drop us mid-war!)

Patricia A. Teter
PTeter(at)Getty.edu

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 12:48:52 -0700
From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu>
Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister

Stephen, thanks for resurrecting the five texts,
three of which I never read the first time around.
I still vividly remember Wister's "La Tinaja Bonita"
thanks to Bob Champ.  Bob, did Wister write
many short fiction westerns such as this?  The
Virginian was a full length novel, but was it
originally published in serial form?

Patricia

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:42:57 +0300
From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop)
Subject: Re: CHAT: Hornblower sails

I of course always saw Olivier as Hornblower, though I think Gregory Peck
actually played the part in the film.  I remember reading somewhere that
Forester got the name Hornblower from Arthur Hornblow Jr.

C. S. Forester is also of course the author of that wonderful riverine
saga, THE AFRICAN QUEEN.  James Agee did the film play, John Huston
working with him on the script, according to my Golden Retriever.
(That's the video guide which grades videos with bones.)  Frasier Boa,
a splendid Jungian analyst who was much involved with the film world,
did a memorable lecture comparing Charlie Allnutt to Vulcan and Rosie
to Venus.  All that alchemy in the engine room and their funny,
grown-up love affair.  Sort of HEART OF LOVE instead of darkness.


Carroll

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:30:39 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - April 5

            1843
                  Queen Victoria proclaims Hong Kong a British crown colony.
            1861
                  Gideon Wells, the Secretary of the Navy issues official 
orders for the relief of Fort
                  Sumter in Charleston Harbor, S.C.
            1865
                  As the Confederate army approaches Appomattox, it skirmishes 
with Union army at
                  Amelia Springs and Paine's Cross Road.
            1908
                  Japanese Army reaches Yalu River as Russians retreat.
            1919
                  Eamon de Valera becomes president of Ireland.

    Born on April 5
            1827
                  Joseph Lister, English physician, founded the idea of using 
antiseptics during surgery.
            1839
                  Robert Smalls, black congressman from South Carolina, 1875-87.
            1856
                  Booker T. Washington, a former slave who founded the Tuskegee 
Institute.

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 14:52:12 -0700
From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu>
Subject: Re: WWW etext avail: Not the Sherlock Holmes page

Working my way through a backlog of Gaslight email....

Stephen writes: <<I've set up a Sherlock Holmes parody
page, which includes the new etext, "The sleuths" by O.
Henry, and will link to more stories as they are either
produced by Gaslight, or found elsewhere on the Internet.>>

Great!  Looking forward to browsing the page and
stories.  (Gaslight website is not responding at the
moment, but I will revisit later.)

Stephen writes: << This page will expand to include
some pastiches, such as Jerry Carlson's  "Adventure of
the white plume".>>

Jerry, this is a Holmes pastiche?  What is the title of your
excellent Brigadier Gerard pastiche and is it still on Gaslight?
If so, may we link it to the Napoleonic page alongside
the Doyle Brigadier Gerard?  You are certainly a worthy
successor to ACD!

best regards,
Patricia   (obviously my memory is failing!)

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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 01:19:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: CHAT: Lord Buckley website

The English language is a wonderful thing, capable of unending variations
and remarkable idioms.  One of the more interesting users of it in the
1940s and 1950s was a comic performer named Lord Buckley.  Lord Buckley's
speciality was translating well-known tales and events into the vocabulary
of the hipster. He performed hip versions of Mark Antony's speech in
Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_ and of Poe's "The Raven."  He told the story
of Jesus (well, some of it) in a monologue called "The Nazz" and recast
Lincoln's Gettysburg Address in hip. He also told folk-tales, like my
favorite of his monologues, "God's Own Drunk."

Some people might find such treatment offensive, but there is a sweetness
in Lord Buckley's monologues robs them of that quality.  If you would like
to sample some of his best work (in text form, though there are also
directions about how to order recordings) and learn a little about this
most unusual man, go to this URL:

http://www.industrialhaiku.com/LBO/LBOPages/Welcome.html

Dig the cat. When Lord Buckley laid it down, it stayed.

Bob C.


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rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity

Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy; meditate on these things
                                 Philippians 4:8

rchamp7927(at)aol.com       robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:58:15 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Robert E. Howard, and Ululating Uvulae

p.h. wood wrote:

>Thanks for the kind words! I'd agree on Derleth, who was, I believe, a
>lapsed Catholic, and might have some idea of the Manichaean heresy, but
>not on R. E. Howard; according to what I know, "The Black Stone" is the
>only Lovecraftian story he wrote, as he preferred the Conanical type of
>tale.

REH actually did write write a few non-Conanoid weird tales; most of them share 
the "lost race" aspect with Lovecraft, but these are mortal creatures, not evil 
gods.  Gods and demons, when they come (mostly in the Conan stories and the 
like), come from outside.

BTW - since somebody didn't seem sure on this point, the uvula is the 
bulb-shaped thingy that hangs down in the back of the throat.

Jerry (eagerly awaiting the next Digest and Story of the Week [or is it "How 
Finley McGillis Held the Pier"?], now that I'm finally caught up thus far)
gmc(at)libra.pvh.org

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