In this issue: Re: Alice <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Egyptian stories in Gaslight archives Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Egyptian stories Re: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Re: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching Baelbrow? RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching RE: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching What's in the Gaslight archives? Re: What's in the Gaslight archives? Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Re: What's in the Gaslight archives? Damfinos site Re: Gilbert Murray novel Re: er, Egyptian Povich? RE: er, Egyptian Povich? Hello, Harold site <WAS> Damfinos site Chat: Quartermass Quatermass and the Egyptians/Query on e-text "Quatermass", Nigel Kneale, et al. Chat: lab specimens Re: Chat: Quartermass -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 08:54:51 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Alice >rather a reading of Alice Meynell's relationship to Dodgson, and all that >follows. Jack, it's been ages since I've seen Dreamchild but not so long since I've read anything about Dodgson. Who is Alice Meynell? Another of Dodgson's favorite children? (PS--recommend getting Svankmajer's video of Alice to anyone who loves Alice, but highly recommend it from Amazon--it is discounted there) Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:24:14 -0700 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching It's not perfectly clear to me why some posts get bounced by Gaslight rather than distributed. It happens from time to time, and here's the most recent one: Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:20:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)ucla.edu> Subject: help! I'm trying to think of the name and the author (Stevenson?) of the story about the eminent 19th century doctor who hires two undesirables to furnish him with corpses for anatomy. After disposing of some poor and downtrodden, they end up killing the doctor's fiancee. The climactic scene is his discovering this in the anatomy theater. At least that's how I remember it: I'm pretty sure it's been filmed. Many thanks in advance for all assistance. Jack Kolb Dept. of English, UCLA kolb(at)ucla.edu
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:34:46 -0500 From: "Roberts, Leonard" <lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu> Subject: RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching I remember the television episode of this but I can't remember if it was on the Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or even Alfred Hitchcock. Stevenson's story was The Body-Snatchers (I think) in which the thieves were medical students. Is that story is on Gaslight? There was also a film starring Boris Karloff, but I can't remember the name of that either. Again the ending was different. The TV version is the only one I have seen which matches your description. It ends with the doctor screaming in the anatomy theatre with his astonished students and an interested police detective looking on. I hope this muddle of faulty memory is of some help. Len Roberts > -----Original Message----- > From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA [SMTP:sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:24 AM > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > Subject: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching > > It's not perfectly clear to me why some posts get bounced by Gaslight > rather > than distributed. It happens from time to time, and here's the most > recent one: > > > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:20:54 -0800 (PST) > From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)ucla.edu> > Subject: help! > > I'm trying to think of the name and the author (Stevenson?) of the story > about the eminent 19th century doctor who hires two undesirables to > furnish > him with corpses for anatomy. After disposing of some poor and > downtrodden, > they end up killing the doctor's fiancee. The climactic scene is his > discovering this in the anatomy theater. At least that's how I remember > it: > I'm pretty sure it's been filmed. Many thanks in advance for all > assistance. > > Jack Kolb > Dept. of English, UCLA > kolb(at)ucla.edu >
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:36:42 -0700 (MST) From: John Woolley <jwoolley(at)dna420.mcit.com> Subject: Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Jack Kolb asks: > I'm trying to think of the name and the author (Stevenson?) of the story > about the eminent 19th century doctor who hires two undesirables to furnish > him with corpses for anatomy. "The Body-Snatcher", by Stevenson. Did I answer first? Do I get a prize? - -- Fr. John
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:41:03 -0700 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: Egyptian stories in Gaslight archives In addition to the stories that Patricia listed, there is also a Grant Allen fantasy called "My New Year's Eve with the mummies", so far available only in plain ASCII. I don't think I've etexted the Poe story, but I certainly meaned to at one time. To retrieve the plain ASCII file send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA with no subject heading and completely in lowercase: open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca cd /gaslight get newmummy.sht
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:44:45 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching Sorry, the subject line on this was so funny I had to mention it! Doesn't the saying go "Friends will help you move, good friends will help you move a body?" The film version is what I am familiar with, it was done for a Twilight Zone (et.a.l.?) that you mention the fiancee turns up in the end. Stevensen's story doesn't have this end, it is another character illegally obtained that makes his untimely reappearance (against all odds except supernatural). Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:47:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Joseph Adam Milutis <jmilutis(at)csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching
I think the Stevenson story ("The Body-Snatchers") doesn't have an eminent
19th century doctor as its subject (that's probably a 20th c.
development, since Stevenson showed the doctors to be a shady lot), but
instead the two anatomist-apprentices are central. After their night of
grave digging, and many years later (the frame of the story) one is
depicted as "eminent" the other morally and psychically destroyed.
The nature of the woman's relation to the anatomists I can't remember, but
I don't think it was anyone's fiancee, but my memory could be wrong on
that. The final scene takes place in a carriage on the way from the
graveyard.
jm
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:59:29 -0500 (EST) From: DOUGLAS GREENE <dgreene(at)odu.edu> Subject: Egyptian stories There are some wild occult and semi-occult stories based on Egypt and written during the Victorian/Edwardian period. Richard Marsh's extravaganza THE BEETLE is a good example, as are some of M. P. Shiel's PRINCE ZALESKI tales. One of the Prichards's Flaxman Low occult detective stories also has an Egyptian motif. For a sober treatment of mummies in a detective novel, no one has done better than R. Austin Freeman in THE EYE OF OSIRIS. A little past our period, Sax Rohmer brought Fu-Manchu to Egypt . . .
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 09:14:29 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching Stephen wrote: <<In addition to the stories that Patricia listed, there is also a Grant Allen fantasy called "My New Year's Eve with the mummies", so far available only in plain ASCII. I don't think I've etexted the Poe story....>> Thanks for the Grant Allen story reference, Stephen. For those of you with Web access, the Poe story "Some Words with a Mummy" is located at http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/a_mummy.html By the way, the 1945 movie version of Stevenson's story is called "The Body Snatcher", starring Boris Karloff, and recently appeared on TCM cable station. Alas, Fr. John, according to my email, Len beat you by two minutes! No prize for you! <grin> best regards, Patricia
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:11:08 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching
Stevenson's "The body-snatcher" (1881) is available on Gaslight as plain ASCII
and, thanks to Richard K.'s HTML, on the website.
To retrieve the plain ASCII file send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:
open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
cd /gaslight
get bodysnch.sht
or visit the Gaslight website at:
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/body.htm
or try Richard K.'s excellent website at:
http://rking.vinu.edu
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 10:20:13 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Re: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching
Douglas G. mentions the Flaxman Low story "The story of Baelbrow" in which an
Eqyptologist ships artifacts home to Ireland. It's in the Gaslight archives as:
flaxmnXD.sht
and at: http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/prchdmen.htm
Quite a few people have asked me to finish the Gaslight etext of _The beetle_.
I'll take the opportunity of committing in this public forum to have it finished
this semester.
I found another piece on Gaslight about Stevenson's "The bodysnatcher". I
compiled our posts about the story when we first discussed it and made it
available as a plain ASCII file: bodysnch.non I must have done this at
someone's request, but I've forgotten the circumstances.
Stephen
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 11:38:12 -0600 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry_1.wustl.edu> Subject: Baelbrow? Stephen, the other two Flaxman Low stories load, but not Baelbrow. I get the Spaniards story at XD instead, and if I try to go back from the XF story, I get a 404 not found. Kiwi >>> <sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA> 03/04/99 11:20AM >>> Douglas G. mentions the Flaxman Low story "The story of Baelbrow" in which an Eqyptologist ships artifacts home to Ireland. It's in the Gaslight archives as: flaxmnXD.sht and at: http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/prchdmen.htm
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 13:17:26 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: RE: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching
The Burke And Hare story was also the subject of very good screepnplay
by Dylan Thomas called "The Doctor And The Devils". Eventually (mid1980s),
it even got produced, more or less intact, as a film (starring Twiggy, if
you can deal with that).
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:43:47 +1100
From: Craig Walker <cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: RE: Egyptian stories & Body-Snatching
Dear folks,
Forgive the gleam of surprise, but I have just realised what the
apellations after the file names mean,
.sht = short story
.srl = serial(iasation)
.non = non-fiction
Have I got this right? Oh and by the way, is there a way to get a
(non-web) listing of stories mailed to your mailbox?
Thanks
Craig Walker
(using non-web technology is a bit like being in the 1890s)
+----------------------------------------+
Craig Walker
(h) +612 9550-0815 (w) +612 9228-6698
(m) +614 1922-0013
(h) genre(at)tig.com.au
(w) cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au
ICQ (h) 1053193
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:01:55 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: What's in the Gaslight archives?
Craig W. is asking for a list of FTP (or email AFTP) available Gaslight files.
I frequently promise and break my promise to revise the briefano.lst. This file
was how we originally kept track of what stories were placed in the archives.
It is still available in an older version if anyone wants to ask the mailer for
it.
Other file extensions used are .nvl, .hum, .bio, and of course .lst. There is
the rare .cmt which indicates comments from listmembers.
To retrieve all three plain ASCII files send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:
open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
cd /gaslight
get briefano.lst
I would be happy to give someone access to the AFTP files if they can make us a
new list of what the files are.
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:59:18 -0600 From: R John Hayes <liardrg(at)telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: What's in the Gaslight archives? sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA wrote: > I would be happy to give someone access to the AFTP files if they can make us a > new list of what the files are. Stephen: Is this "just" a list of files, or is it to be somehow annotated. I have some time and a bibliographic inclination, but would need to know what you think would be needed. Ref. by author and title, with code? Or more. Best wishes, John - -- R John Hayes Devon, Alberta, Canada liardrg(at)telusplanet.net 780.987.4129 (note the new area code) "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea." ? Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 17:54:03 -0600 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching It was an episode of Night Gallery, starring Cornell Wilde, call "Deliveries in the Rear". Marta "Roberts, Leonard" wrote: > > I remember the television episode of this but I can't remember if it was on > the Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or even Alfred Hitchcock. Stevenson's story > was The Body-Snatchers (I think) in which the thieves were medical students. > Is that story is on Gaslight? > > There was also a film starring Boris Karloff, but I can't remember the name > of that either. Again the ending was different. The TV version is the only > one I have seen which matches your description. It ends with the doctor > screaming in the anatomy theatre with his astonished students and an > interested police detective looking on. > > I hope this muddle of faulty memory is of some help. > > Len Roberts > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA [SMTP:sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA] > > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 1999 11:24 AM > > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > > Subject: <FWD> Request for help with body-snatching > > > > It's not perfectly clear to me why some posts get bounced by Gaslight > > rather > > than distributed. It happens from time to time, and here's the most > > recent one: > > > > > > Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 21:20:54 -0800 (PST) > > From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)ucla.edu> > > Subject: help! > > > > I'm trying to think of the name and the author (Stevenson?) of the story > > about the eminent 19th century doctor who hires two undesirables to > > furnish > > him with corpses for anatomy. After disposing of some poor and > > downtrodden, > > they end up killing the doctor's fiancee. The climactic scene is his > > discovering this in the anatomy theater. At least that's how I remember > > it: > > I'm pretty sure it's been filmed. Many thanks in advance for all > > assistance. > > > > Jack Kolb > > Dept. of English, UCLA > > kolb(at)ucla.edu > >
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 18:23:34 -0600 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: What's in the Gaslight archives? I would also be happy to do this, if needed. Marta R John Hayes wrote: > > sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA wrote: > > I would be happy to give someone access to the AFTP files if they can make us a > > new list of what the files are. > > Stephen: > Is this "just" a list of files, or is it to be somehow annotated. > I have some time and a bibliographic inclination, but would need to know > what you think would be needed. Ref. by author and title, with code? Or > more. > Best wishes, > John > -- > > R John Hayes > Devon, Alberta, Canada > liardrg(at)telusplanet.net > 780.987.4129 (note the new area code) > > "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect > wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long > for the endless immensity of the sea." > ? Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 02:44:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Damfinos site
If they don't know of it already, Buster Keaton fans on the list
will be delighted to learn that the Damfinos (aka The International
Buster Keaton Society) has an official website at
http://www.busterkeaton.com
There are some interesting things there. An excellent site devoted to
a true original.
Bob C.
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 08:12:40 -0600 From: Brian McMillan <brianbks(at)netins.net> Subject: Re: Gilbert Murray novel R. Champ wrote: >Now, I have never heard that Murray wrote a novel, and wonder if this >one was ever published and if so, whether anybody on Gaslight has heard of >it or read it. A man of Murray's intellectual prowess and undoubted >literary ability should have produced a very interesting book. >Unfortunately, though in existence in 1889, the novel would not lend >itself to much e-texting because Murray lived for a very long time >and the copyright is still in effect. > I'd heard of this title. This is in several fantasy references including Bleiler, Locke & Neil Barron's FANTASY LIERATURE, which lists this as: Murray, G. G. A. GOBI OR SHAMO: A STORY OF THREE SONGS. London: Longmans, Green. 1889. It's a lost race adventure novel that is called "classy" by Barron and was apparently well regarded by a friend of H. Rider Haggard. Who this friend was, Locke doesn't say. In the book, descendants of Ionian Greeks are discovered in a hidden valley in Central Asia. A timely concept, considering the discovery lately of an unknown 4000 ft. deep valley in the Himalya's. Brian M. brianbks(at)netins.net BRIAN MCMILLAN, BOOKS http://www.abebooks.com/home/briansbks
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:32:07 -0500 (EST) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? Greetings, Deborah asks: >Martians? > >Anyone ever see a great old 60's (?) era movie called FIVE MILLION YEARS TO >EARTH? The one where they discover a Martian spaceship buried underground >in England in a place called "Hobs End"? They look like giant grasshoppers >but it had some interesting things to say about us and Martians. Probably >better than this theory above. Eck. LOVE this film -- I have it on tape. It shows up every now & again on one of the cable channels, AMC I think. Scared the bejesus out of me the first time I watched it. I've seen a few of the other Quatermass movies that I rented from a specialty video store near here. This was a British series (as noted, the British title was Quatermass and the Pit (1968)) which originally starred Brian Donlevy, although what he was doing in England I have no idea. He appeared in The Creeping Unknown aka The Quatermass Xperiment (1956) -- sole survivor of a spaceship returns to earth and turns into a slime monster -- and Enemy from Space aka Quatermass II (1957) -- aliens build a factory and start taking over human bodies, shades of Invasion of the Body Snatchers! -- both of which I've seen. Not as good as the Martian epic (which replaced Donlevy with James Donald) but quite fun, and good examples of 'intelligent' SF, IMO (not excepting the slime monster). I have a lingering recollection of another tape which was actually the TV version (the Quatermass series began as TV serials) starring yet another Quatermass, set in a weird sort of future where the youth -- probably affected by aliens, what else -- are taking over the world. Guess I'll have to take a trip up to Northampton again for those tapes. Best, Donna Goldthwaite dgold(at)javanet.com
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:13:45 -0500 From: "Massaro, Peter" <PMassaro(at)ssd.com> Subject: RE: er, Egyptian Povich? Ah, finally something I know about! Thanks, Donna, for this excellent summary of the Quatermass series. I think you have made one small error. In Quatermass and the Pit, the Quatermass role is played not by James Donald but by Andrew Kier (sp?), who sadly passed away last year; James Donald has the role of the archaeologist (I can't recall his character's name). For those in the U.S., I should note that Anchor Bay Entertainment has recently released, under the British title, a restored and letterboxed version on both videotape and DVD. The DVD has some nice extras on it. Donna asks about Brian Donlevy's presence in the first two Quatermass films. I have read that Donlevy's U.S. career was on the skids and his alcoholism was getting worse, so he jumped at the chance to star in these Hammer Films productions. At the same time, Hammer Films was looking to break into the U.S. film market and trying to find a "name" actor recognized by U.S. audiences. Donlevy was available and affordable. Nigel Kneale, the author of all four Quatermass films, thought Donlevy was awful. I might also mention that some years ago the BBC released on a single PAL videotape the original British black and white series of television episodes (dated around 1960) of QATP on which the later Hammer film was based. One of the episodes was lost and therefore not included on the tape. It, too, is excellent, and actually expands quite a bit on the thoughtful ideas presented in the Hammer film version. I do not believe that the BBC version was ever released in the U.S., though it may be available on a bootleg. In the BBC version, by the way, the Quatermass role was played by the great character actor Andre Morell, who played, among other things, the Watson role in the Hammer version of The Hound of the Baskervilles (I was trying to find a link to our period somehow!) and also starred in Hammer's The Mummy's Shroud (and hence I bring the message back to original ancient Egyptian topic!). Finally, for completeness' sake, the Quatermass role in the final version (I believe the title was just Quatermass IV) was played by John Mills. I have never seen it but have read several opinions that it is by far the worst of the four. I recommend the first three films in the series, though, as science fiction film at its best. I will now return to lurker status. Peter T. Massaro, Esq. Squire, Sanders & Dempsey, L.L.P. 4900 Key Tower 127 Public Square Cleveland, Ohio 44114-1304 (216)479-8392 PMassaro(at)ssd.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Goldthwaite [SMTP:dgold(at)javanet.com] > Sent: Friday, March 05, 1999 10:32 AM > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? > > Greetings, > > Deborah asks: > > > >Martians? > > > >Anyone ever see a great old 60's (?) era movie called FIVE MILLION YEARS > TO > >EARTH? The one where they discover a Martian spaceship buried > underground > >in England in a place called "Hobs End"? They look like giant > grasshoppers > >but it had some interesting things to say about us and Martians. > Probably > >better than this theory above. Eck. > > > LOVE this film -- I have it on tape. It shows up every now & again > on one of the cable channels, AMC I think. Scared the bejesus out of me > the > first time I watched it. > > I've seen a few of the other Quatermass movies that I rented from a > specialty video store near here. This was a British series (as noted, the > British title was Quatermass and the Pit (1968)) which originally starred > Brian Donlevy, although what he was doing in England I have no idea. He > appeared in The Creeping Unknown aka The Quatermass Xperiment (1956) -- > sole survivor of a spaceship returns to earth and turns into a slime > monster -- and Enemy from Space aka Quatermass II (1957) -- aliens build > a > factory and start taking over human bodies, shades of Invasion of the Body > Snatchers! -- both of which I've seen. Not as good as the Martian epic > (which replaced Donlevy with James Donald) but quite fun, and good > examples > of 'intelligent' SF, IMO (not excepting the slime monster). > > I have a lingering recollection of another tape which was actually > the TV version (the Quatermass series began as TV serials) starring yet > another Quatermass, set in a weird sort of future where the youth -- > probably affected by aliens, what else -- are taking over the world. > > Guess I'll have to take a trip up to Northampton again for those > tapes. > > Best, > > Donna Goldthwaite > dgold(at)javanet.com >
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:18:05 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Hello, Harold site <WAS> Damfinos site
I'll have to return to the Keaton site to give it a full exploration. "Damfino"
was the name of Keaton's boat, I think. I was just exploring silent films
websites on Tuesday, but none had listed this link.
Meanwhile, I'll trade you URLs, Bob. Here's the one for Harold Lloyd with many
Quicktime clips:
http://www.asb.com/usr/helloharold/hhlhome.htm
Stephen
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:34:16 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Chat: Quartermass >this excellent summary of the Quatermass series. Thanks, too. I have always loved 50 Million Years to Earth and, yes, it is AMC that keeps showing it (we can't resist turning it on when it is on, every time we can). It always felt like there was more to Quartermass when I saw that movie but I swear I have never seen or heard of the others! Do we know if they are under other titles I somehow missed. Even so--since I comb the channels for good scifi, especially VINTAGE, it seems sad. Quartermass seems like an extension of Professor Challenger (to bring it to a Gaslight era character) of Doyle's LOST WORLD. A mix of Allen Quartermain and Professor Challenger? Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: Quatermass and the Egyptians/Query on e-text Greetings, Thanks to Peter for his correction on the name of the actor in QATP. Yes, it was Andrew Keir. Shows what happens when you take Maltin at face value. I'm assuming that Donald was a more well-known actor and that's why he got top billing? As to Quatermass IV -- yep, memory clears, and that was a movie, not the TV show, and bloody awful. I think I only watched the whole thing because I'd paid to rent it. And I did see the TV version of QATP; the video store sometimes carries tapes whose provenance might not bear close inspection. (The first time I saw The Rocky Horror Picture Show -- long before it was released on video in the States -- was in a version with Japanese subtitles. WHAT a hoot! Give a whole new meaning to the word surreal.) But, back to where we started -- I'm terribly miffed that I missed the Fox documentary (??). I love this kind of stuff; it's so much fun to yell at the TV screen. Anyone recall a documentary several years ago, narrated by Charlton Heston, of all people, which argued that the Sphinx was immensely old (pre-dynastic) and built by a people who left before the Egyptians showed up? All had something to do with a supposed excavation that 'proved' that it was water, not quarrying and the effects of blown sand, which caused the erosion on the base of the figure. I remember watching it in a kind of daze; there were no real Egyptologists interviewed, IIRC, -- I think they were in much the same daze I was. Haven't heard much about that 'theory' recently; I think it was pretty much blown out of the water <g> by later discussions. Thanks to the people who've posted the information about the various mummy stories. Off to read 'em. Best, Donna Goldthwaite dgold(at)javanet.com (obviously on her day off, with all this posting!) PS to Stephen -- I'd be happy to help with any listings, etc. of the archives. Let me know. PPS - I'm working (desultorily) on a web page for mystery and detective fiction, including where available, web pages with historical criticism, etc. I seem to recall that the Gaslight archives included an e-text of 'How to write a mystery story' -- was that by Anna Katherine Green? -- but now I can't find it. Is it available only in ASCII format? Am I imagining things? Help anybody? Donna
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 10:39:38 -0700 (MST) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: "Quatermass", Nigel Kneale, et al. I had the pleasure of watching the original English tv Quatermass programs in the '50's; indeed, they first three were good, and, for the time, outstanding SF productions. Their author, Nigel Kneale (1922 - ) was, I am proud to say, a Manxman, and several of his short stories have Manx settings. Besides the Quatermass productions, he also wrote the screenplay for the 1954 BBC-tv version of George Orwell's "1984", which, as Clute & Nichol's Encyclopedia of Science Fiction remarks: "caused much controversy" at the time. I met him at a party in the Isle of Man sometime in the early 'fifties; he struck me as an interesting man, who like so many Manxmen, did not really like his countrymen. His Manx-located stories seem to confirm this. Peter Wood
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 11:01:15 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Chat: lab specimens Does anyone know of there is a book out there that essentially is: THE ALL COLOR BOOK OF LABORATORY SPECIMENS IN JARS? preferrably 19th century jars. Thank you, Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 13:25:23 -0500 (EST) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Quartermass Hi, Ok, you've forced me into it. I did some quick web searching and found a Quatermass home page at: http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/8504/qhome.htm with lots of background info, episode guides, etc., if you can overlook the grammatical errors and those annoying Geocities pop-up ads (but with charming graphics of our grasshopper 'ancestors'). Near as I can figure out, the Quatermass movies (as opposed to the _original_ BBC TV series) are as follows: Creeping Unknown (1956) British title: Quatermass Xperiment, directed by Val Guest (joking title evidently because the producers deduced - correctly - - that the film would get an X rating), Brian Donlevy as Quatermass. Enemy from Space (1957) British/video title: Quatermass II, directed by Val Guest, Brian Donlevy as Quatermass. Five Million Years to Earth (1968) British title: Quatermass and the Pit, directed by Roy Ward Baker, Andrew Keir (thanks Peter!) as Quatermass. Third and best of the series; postulates that Martian insects colonized the earth, taking home some ape ancestors, 'martianizing' and then returning them. The idea that mob violence is the Martian equivalent of ethnic cleansing is truly frightening. And I loved the back story to this; that Martian 'race memory' was evident in visions of the Devil; Hobb's End, the London neighborhood where the Martian spaceship is found, had been noted for centuries as an evil place, where the Devil (horns, just like insect antennae) was seen whenever there was any disturbance of the earth -- cutting down trees for charcoal burning, building, excavating the Underground, etc. Hobb or Hob is an ancient name for a demon. Quatermass Conclusion (1980) aka Quatermass IV aka Quatermass, directed by Piers Haggard, John Mills as Quatermass. Truly awful, although Maltin seems to like it. For summaries of the various plots, try the following entry on the first film: http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b2506017/sf/4n.html which has links to the other films. According to Amazon, the following are available in video (in the $15-$25 range): Quatermass and the Pit (VHS & DVD) Quatermass Xperiment Quatermass 2, which I assume is Enemy from Space, due out the end of this month. All of these are US/Canada versions. I haven't checked the availability in the UK, but there is a page about videos on the Quatermass home page. Deborah writes: >It always felt like there was more to Quartermass when >I saw that movie but I swear I have never seen or heard of the others! Do >we know if they are under other titles I somehow missed. Even so--since I >comb the channels for good scifi, especially VINTAGE, it seems sad. > >Quartermass seems like an extension of Professor Challenger (to bring it to >a Gaslight era character) of Doyle's LOST WORLD. A mix of Allen >Quartermain and Professor Challenger? > I too wish that these would show up on TV, especially the original TV serial versions, if they're still available. Quatermass is an experimental rocket scientist (hence, the first movie, where he was responsible for the project where the spaceship returns with its unfortunate human cargo), but seems to spend more time dealing with nasty aliens than with physics and ship construction.... Oddly enough, or perhaps not, when I did a Quatermass search on Amazon, all I got was Allan Quatermain stories! Since I've spent some time this morning recalling these films, I've thought about the anti-government, anti-military take in several of the episodes. The 'guvmint' is always trying to hush up the various terrible things that are happening to avoid panic; Quatermass stolidly goes off on his own -- and takes the bureaucrats on. Sorry to go so OT, since this is out of our period, but considering what Britain was like in the 50s - dull, dreary, rationing, etc., was this a political statement -- or am I reading too much into it now? And I think Andrew Keir would have made a wonderful Prof. Challenger. Best to all, Donna Goldthwaite <returning you to your original programming -- insert proper music here> ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #51 *****************************