In this issue:
Alice
Re: Alice
Re: Alice
Re: Alice
RE: "The Ballad of Reynardine"
Re: Alice
Re: Alice
James Joycean slip
Re: Alice
Off-topic inquiry
Today in History - March 2
Re: Today in History - Barbary Pirates
ASCII etext avail: Athan Chilton's "The Ballad of Reynardine"
Re: Dennis Potter
carl schurz park
Gilbert Murray novel
er, Egyptian Povich?
RE: er, Egyptian Povich?
Re: er, Egyptian Povich?
Re: er, Egyptian Povich?
RE: er, Egyptian Povich?
clean tombs
Re: er, Egyptian Povich?
Re: er, Egyptian Povich?
RE: er, Egyptian Povich?
Taylor mystery solved
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:13:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Alice
I was wondering if anyone saw the new version of _Alice in Wonderland_
the other night and, if so, what your impression of it was.
Bob C.
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rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy; meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:24:41 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Alice At 09:13 PM 03/01/1999 -0500, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone saw the new version of _Alice in Wonderland_ >the other night and, if so, what your impression of it was. > >Bob C. > >_________________________________________________ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >Robert L. Champ ============ I, for one, saw and liked most of it. The parts that were directly from the book were, (oddly enough! <G>) directly from the book and could be quoted and sung with by memory (failing as it is). But the "reason" for Alice being in Wonderland and the bits of the "Through the Looking Glass" that intruded for no good reason really irked me. Okay, in normal conversation, I would have used another phrase, but I won't here! As to the players and their interpretations? Bang on, say I! Loved them. I do wish the powers that were had put the entire cast up for perusal by character in TV Guide or on screen instead of the itty-bitty bits next to the promos for the next program. And that the daggone commercials hadn't been so long and boring and inappropriate for little people who might be seeing this later on tape. Sax and violoins on network show promos are nice but not during "Alice in Wonderland"!! It was a 90 minute show lengthened to 3 hours by commercials. sigh. The book and video hawked by the network looked nice- If anyone gets it, let me know what you think of it. Linda Anderson
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:57:44 -0600 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: Alice I've always been a purist when it comes to books-to-big/little screen adapations. If they are going to do it, then do it right and follow the story. That being said, I thought that while the parts that followed the book were fantastic, the parts that didn't, such as the White Knight thrown in right after the mock turtle, were jarring. That scene doesn't even belong in Alice; what network yesman thought to stick it in the middle of the story? They should have done a separate Looking Glass adaptation to air the next night. I also thought that if they had followed the story and the writing in the right chronological sequence, it could have been the best complete adaptation of Alice so far ever done. I agree with the other poster, that it was dead on in its interpretations, but misguided in it's approach. The special effects were good, and definitely helped the story. I really like Tina Majorino, but she seemed almost to be in a hypnotic trance. Alice is a character who is spirited and energetic, not half-asleep. She didn't seem to fit the role, to me. However, I consider the best "Alice" adaptation yet done to be "Dreamchild", directed by Dennis Potter. There are only a few scenes of the book in it, but they are also dead on, and I can almost cry for what was lost when Jim Henson died, before he had a chance to try a complete production of Alice and Looking Glass with his Creature Shop. If anyone had seen this movie, they know what I mean. It's one of the most remarkable films I've ever seen. Ian Holm IS Lewis Carroll; he's just perfect, as is Coral Browne as the grownup Alice and Amelia Shankley as the young Alice. Sorry to ramble on, but Alice and Looking Glass are one of my favorite topics. Marta Robert Champ wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone saw the new version of _Alice in Wonderland_ > the other night and, if so, what your impression of it was. > > Bob C. > > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > Robert L. Champ > rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu > Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > > Whatever things are pure, whatever things are > lovely, whatever things are of good report, if > there is any virtue and if there is anything > praiseworthy; meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > > rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:20:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Alice
Linda Anderson wrote:
<<Sax and violoins<<
A true daughter of James Joyce.
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy; meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 14:27:00 +1100
From: Craig Walker <cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: RE: "The Ballad of Reynardine"
Hello everyone,
Is this: "The Ballad of Reynardine", available in plain ascii text via
ftp?
Thanks
Craig Walker
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: athan chilton [mailto:ayc(at)UIUC.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 1999 1:39 AM
> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
> Subject: Re: "The Ballad of Reynardine"
>
>
> >I'd like to encourage Gaslighters to read the story "The Ballad of
> >Reynardine" by fellow listmember Athan Chilton. Athan's story
> >is well-plotted and succinctly told, and it recreates deftly
> some of the
> >atmosphere surrounding Donn Byrne's "Reynardine" (one of
> >my all-time favorite Gaslight tales). There also moments of
> shock that
> >make the story well-worth downloading and perusing.
> >
> >I enjoyed the tale very much, Firefly.
>
> Firefly quotes Bob's note in its entirety and sez 'Thanks
> Very Much!' Bob
> has supported all of my writing that he's seen. I only wish he were a
> publisher so I could see these stories in print somewhere
> besides fanzines.
> And I'd also like to 'publicly' thank Linda Anderson for
> giving me an idea
> that led to one of the 'moments of shock' in this story.
>
> Also, I'd like to remark briefly on the story's origins.
> Although it does
> touch on Byrne's setting, and a character of the same name, I had no
> knowledge of Byrne's story when I began to write mine. In
> fact, seeing
> Byrne's story here on Gaslight set off a veritable chain of
> firecrackers in
> my mind. My only reference for the name 'Reynardine' and the
> character
> himself (not herself, as in Byrne's tale) came from the
> Fairport Convention
> recording of the ballad 'Reynardine', which I'd heard in the
> late 60s/early
> 70s when it first was released, and which seemed to hint at a
> character
> with supernatural attributes. (It did seem odd that the only
> description
> of Reynardine in the song consisted of the line "his teeth so
> bright did
> shine"). After I created a 'Marcel de Reynardine' for my
> vampire novel in
> the early 90s, I started getting more interested in the
> character of the
> ballads. Why did he have ballads written about him? Why did of the
> variants seem to point at a supernatural being? Why was he pursued by
> government agents? Was he a known criminal, a scofflaw--or
> something more
> deadly?
>
> There are several stories in my Reynardine collection now; Ballad of
> Reynardine, The View-Holloa, and Immortality in Oils. And very likely
> there will be more!
>
> And I also wonder if Byrne knew, and was influenced by, the
> various ballads...?
>
> Athan aka Firefly
> ayc(at)uiuc.edu
>
>
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 23:07:36 -0500 From: "James D. Hake" <jdh(at)apk.net> Subject: Re: Alice At 09:13 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote: >I was wondering if anyone saw the new version of _Alice in Wonderland_ >the other night and, if so, what your impression of it was. > >Bob C. > Finally, Somthing to comment on after a long silence. About halfway through, I downloaded the e-text from Gutenberg. Curiouser and curiouser. It seems the show smushed together _Alice's Adventures in Wonderland_ and _Alice through the Looking Glass_. I'd follow for a chapter or so that was updated and expanded to some extent for TV, then for a period between commercials nothing seemed to match. On another list someone gave me the clue to what was being done when they said Tweedledee and Tweedledum were in _Alice through the Looking Glass_ and not _Alice's Adventures in Wonderland_. Nonetheless, I found it an interesting exercise. Regards, Jim jdh(at)apk.net A Thousand Roads to Mecca - Ten Centuries of Traveler's Writing about the Muslim Pilgrimage (Library) (338) Sixteen Short Novels [ ] (259) Rhetoric/Poetics - Aristotle (60) All for the Union - the Civil War Diary and Letters of Elisha Hunt Rhodes (14) Patriots by A.J. Langguth, (162) Reporting World War 2 - Part 2 (Library of America), 112 Children of the Arbat by Anatoly Rybakov, 538 Recent Acquisitions Note -- Most books removed from the reading list available for barter/trade/sale
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 04:52:16 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Alice
At 10:20 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Linda Anderson wrote:
>
><<Sax and violoins<<
>
>A true daughter of James Joyce.
>
>Bob C.
Great comment.
Having said that, I thought that the small bit of the show that I saw
was awful. Nice visuals sometimes , but weird, nonsensical alterations to
the dialogue. Plus the usual "all-star" thing that always makes one feel
sort of as if one was watching the most expensive children's pagent in the
world, with the celebs being trotted on and off for the requisite 10 minutes
apiece. Confess that I have hated all the other adaptations even more, though.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:38:00 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: James Joycean slip >Linda Anderson wrote: > ><<Sax and violoins<< > >A true daughter of James Joyce. > >Bob C. >___ Thanks, Bob! at first it was a mistake, but as I looked at it----I left it that way! gotta think of a way to get that into a story... <G> Linda
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:39:30 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Alice >However, I consider the best "Alice" adaptation yet done to be >"Dreamchild", directed by Dennis Potter. Jan Svankmajer's is my favorite. It's the closest I've seen to actually being JUST Alice, no Looking Glass and with the exception of the Cheshire Cat all of the scenes are there. Alice is very spirited, curious, and the madness is wonderful. I've never cared for the All-Star pageants Jim mentions and wonder why they always have to turn this story in to one, after another. Who cares if it's Whoopie Goldberg or Robin Williams....or Carol Burnett...or W.C. Fields...I just want the story done right. If they're going to intrude Through The Looking Glass why don't we throw in The Wasp in a Wig and some of the Snark as well. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 10:11:19 -0600 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry_1.wustl.edu> Subject: Off-topic inquiry Have any of you literary types ever read Robert Oke's Frolic Wind? If anyone has, please contact me off-list. I need some input! (Strangest thing I've read since Ulysses!) Kiwi Carlisle carlislc(at)psychiatry.wustl.edu
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:10:36 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - March 2
1815
To put an end to robberies by the Barbary pirates, the United
States declares war on
Algiers.
1836
Texas declares independence from Mexico on Sam Houston's 43rd
birthday.
1853
The Territory of Washington is organized.
1865
President Abraham Lincoln rejects Confederate General Robert E.
Lee's plea for peace
talks, demanding unconditional surrender.
1867
The first Reconstruction Act is passed by Congress.
1877
Rutherford B. Hayes is declared president by one vote the day
before the inauguration.
1889
Congress passes the Indian Appropriations Bill, proclaiming
unassigned lands in the public
domain; the first step toward the famous Oklahoma Land Rush.
1901
Congress passes the Platt amendment, which limits Cuban
autonomy as a condition for
withdrawal of U.S. troops.
1908
An international conference on arms reduction opens in London.
1908
Gabriel Lippman introduces the new three-dimensional color
photography at the Academy
of Sciences.
1917
Congress passes the Jones Act making Puerto Rico a territory of
the United States and
makes the inhabitants U.S. citizens.
Born on March 2
1793
Sam Houston, president of Texas, Texas senator and governor of
Texas.
1810
Leo XIII, 256th Catholic Pope.
1829
Carl Schurz, Civil War general, political reformer and
anti-imperialist.
1904
Theodor Seuss Geisel [Dr. Seuss], author of The Cat in the Hat,
Green Eggs and Ham
and other children's books.
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:24:52 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Today in History - Barbary Pirates Jerry wrote: << 1815 To put an end to robberies by the Barbary pirates, the United States declares war on Algiers. >> Barbary pirates appear in Cutcliff Hyne's _Escape Agents_ set during this time period, appearing on the Gaslight website at: http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/programs/arts/english/gaslight/ escpmenu.htm Are there more Barbary pirate stories set in the early 19th century? Patricia (who has delighted in the recent TCM network's William Powell movie festival...Philo Vance, Nick and Nora Charles, etc.)
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:55:51 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: ASCII etext avail: Athan Chilton's "The Ballad of Reynardine"
Craig W. was asking how to get Athan's story in plain ASCII, so I have mounted
that on the anonymous FTP server at Mount Royal.
To retrieve the plain ASCII file send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:
open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
cd /gaslight
get balldrey.sht
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:26:57 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Dennis Potter my sister responds to the post therein: >Someone on Gaslight posted this. Hmm. I saw this in London with Lucy Curci. >We both thought it was one of the strangest movies we'd ever seen (well, >Dennis Potter's stuff is always strange, but still...). Can't say it was a >favorite of mine by any means. But I do recall the few scenes from the book >as being quite fine. Most of the movie, however, was about the real-life >Alice Liddell. > >
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:29:35 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: carl schurz park >Delivered-To: lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net >From: "Paula Perry" <pjperry(at)email.msn.com> >To: "Linda Anderson" <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> >Subject: carl >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 19:23:32 -0500 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > >> 1829 >> Carl Schurz, Civil War general, political reformer and >anti-imperialist. > >And famous New Yorker! As in Carl Schurz park, by Gracie Mansion, and just >down the street from me! > >(at 87th and 1st ave is where Paula lives. Gracie Mansion is on 87th and York Ave) > > >
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:18:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Gilbert Murray novel
If you have ever taken in a course in ancient Greek literature, you
have undoubtedly run across the name of Gilbert Murray, one of the
century's premier scholars in that field (he was also a first-rate
translator of his favorite playright, Euripides).
Today, while proofreading an article about Murray, I happened to
discover that at one point in his life he had written a novel. Here
is the relevant passage:
<<Less to be expected for a man of 23 was a sudden call to the Chair
of Greek in Glasgow, which became vacant in 1889 when the distinguished
Sohophoclean scholar Sir Richard Jebb moved to Cambridge. Murray's
brilliant promise at Oxford was his chief recommendation (a fantastic
novel called _Gobi_ about a lost Greek civilization in Tibet was the only
manuscript he had completed at the time)...
<<
Now, I have never heard that Murray wrote a novel, and wonder if this
one was ever published and if so, whether anybody on Gaslight has heard of
it or read it. A man of Murray's intellectual prowess and undoubted
literary ability should have produced a very interesting book.
Unfortunately, though in existence in 1889, the novel would not lend
itself to much e-texting because Murray lived for a very long time
and the copyright is still in effect.
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy; meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:35:35 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: er, Egyptian Povich? is anyone else watching Maury Povich proving that we are the Martians and came to earth after a disaster? and the manufactured new mummies being discovered? I'm really sorry, but I have grave (!) doubts about this being a real discovery of undiscovered tombs and mummies etc in Egypt. I think they've been smoking some of those funny Egyptian cigarettes.... Linda Anderson
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:38:05 +1100
From: Craig Walker <cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: RE: er, Egyptian Povich?
Dear Linda, et al,
We (in Australia) get this special tonight at 7:30pm.
Is it that bad? Should we not bother? Should the producers take a hint
out of the Egyptian Cigarette and perhaps (this time) leave the yellowed
wax paper intact?
Craig Walker
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(h) +612 9550-0815 (w) +612 9228-6698
(m) +614 1922-0013
(h) genre(at)tig.com.au
(w) cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au
ICQ (h) 1053193
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Anderson [mailto:lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 1999 13:36
> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
> Subject: er, Egyptian Povich?
>
>
> is anyone else watching Maury Povich proving that we are the
> Martians and
> came to earth after a disaster? and the manufactured new
> mummies being
> discovered?
>
> I'm really sorry, but I have grave (!) doubts about this being a real
> discovery of undiscovered tombs and mummies etc in Egypt.
>
> I think they've been smoking some of those funny Egyptian
> cigarettes....
>
>
> Linda Anderson
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:38:48 -0600 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? If the woman reporter, Suzy Colber, says "wow" one more time (I've only heard it 45 times in the last 5 minutes) when presented with or stepping on bones, I'm going to Egypt and bury her empty Martian head in the sand myself. What a joke! Too bad they didn't get Geraldo to do this; it would have made a good companion piece to the Al Capone debacle. And I can't believe that the "Monuments of Mars" guy can sit there with a straight face and say we're all Martians! His private nurse must really be pushing the Thorazine on him tonight. Marta Linda Anderson wrote: > > is anyone else watching Maury Povich proving that we are the Martians and > came to earth after a disaster? and the manufactured new mummies being > discovered? > > I'm really sorry, but I have grave (!) doubts about this being a real > discovery of undiscovered tombs and mummies etc in Egypt. > > I think they've been smoking some of those funny Egyptian cigarettes.... > > Linda Anderson
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:42:55 -0600 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? In the total two hours, there have been maybe 15 minutes of footage of the actual antiquities; those are worth watching. The rest is pretty silly and ridiculous. Marta Craig Walker wrote: > > Dear Linda, et al, > > We (in Australia) get this special tonight at 7:30pm. > > Is it that bad? Should we not bother? Should the producers take a hint > out of the Egyptian Cigarette and perhaps (this time) leave the yellowed > wax paper intact? > > Craig Walker > > +----------------------------------------+ > Craig Walker > (h) +612 9550-0815 (w) +612 9228-6698 > (m) +614 1922-0013 > (h) genre(at)tig.com.au > (w) cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au > ICQ (h) 1053193 > +---------------------------------------+ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Anderson [mailto:lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 1999 13:36 > > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > > Subject: er, Egyptian Povich? > > > > > > is anyone else watching Maury Povich proving that we are the > > Martians and > > came to earth after a disaster? and the manufactured new > > mummies being > > discovered? > > > > I'm really sorry, but I have grave (!) doubts about this being a real > > discovery of undiscovered tombs and mummies etc in Egypt. > > > > I think they've been smoking some of those funny Egyptian > > cigarettes.... > > > > > > Linda Anderson > >
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:00:05 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: RE: er, Egyptian Povich? Dear Craig: Oh no, you watch and decide. the last bit is the best about things being recovered under the sands by the Sphinx. tunnels, Osiris sarcophogus, water, neat stuff! do watch! It's great fun. At 01:38 PM 03/03/1999 +1100, you wrote: >Dear Linda, et al, > >We (in Australia) get this special tonight at 7:30pm. > >Is it that bad? Should we not bother? Should the producers take a hint >out of the Egyptian Cigarette and perhaps (this time) leave the yellowed >wax paper intact? > >Craig Walker > >+----------------------------------------+ > Craig Walker > (h) +612 9550-0815 (w) +612 9228-6698 > (m) +614 1922-0013 > (h) genre(at)tig.com.au > (w) cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au > ICQ (h) 1053193 >+---------------------------------------+ > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Linda Anderson [mailto:lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, 3 March 1999 13:36 >> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >> Subject: er, Egyptian Povich? >> >> >> is anyone else watching Maury Povich proving that we are the >> Martians and >> came to earth after a disaster? and the manufactured new >> mummies being >> discovered? >> >> I'm really sorry, but I have grave (!) doubts about this being a real >> discovery of undiscovered tombs and mummies etc in Egypt. >> >> I think they've been smoking some of those funny Egyptian >> cigarettes.... >> >> >> Linda Anderson >> > >
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:09:42 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: clean tombs Gee, didn't you all think them undiscovered Egyptian tombs were awfully clean and not dusty or filled up with rubble? or was that just my eastern USA mind that had trouble believing in "ancient undisturbed remains"? Who hired the "Egyptian doctor beloved of Suzy"? gee, they had to take off their hats and coats sometimes. Them tombs are well known to be tv magnets- gotta look thy best. sigh. I did get some new laugh lines during the two hours- that has to be worth the price of cable tv! Dear Craig: please, watch and give us your input. Mine is of one mind- skeptical and disbelieving. As I said before, the excavation under and near the Sphinx is the only new (to me) expedition. that is something I'd like to see more of- but not on TV!!!! Linda Anderson
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 20:54:15 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? >If the woman reporter, Suzy Colber, says "wow" one more time when >presented >with or stepping on bones, I'm going to Egypt and bury her >empty Martian head >in the sand myself. I tend to skirt these because the horrible Egyptology and historicity makes me crazy but I had to laugh over this comment. Martians? Anyone ever see a great old 60's (?) era movie called FIVE MILLION YEARS TO EARTH? The one where they discover a Martian spaceship buried underground in England in a place called "Hobs End"? They look like giant grasshoppers but it had some interesting things to say about us and Martians. Probably better than this theory above. Eck. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:18:38 -0500 From: clementk(at)alink.com (Clement, Kevin) Subject: Re: er, Egyptian Povich? Marta Dawes wrote: > > What a joke! Too bad they didn't get Geraldo to do this; it would have > made a good companion piece to the Al Capone debacle. But at least they found something. Some skeletons, a mummy, and "The tomb of a God". Though the woman reporter stepping on skeletons (oops) and 4000 year old artifacts getting tossed around was good for a few chuckles. (or "Upper-Thigh Cam" while going down to the Queen's tomb) > > And I can't believe that the "Monuments of Mars" guy can sit there with > a straight face and say we're all Martians! His private nurse must > really be pushing the Thorazine on him tonight. Sorry I only caught the last half hour (did tape it though) as I was watching a Buffy repeat at a friend's house. (much more entertaining) Since Art Bell hyped this show I'm not too surprised about the Mars connection. He had the producer of the show on for an hour last night I think. If anyone's interested, the website for this show is http://www.fox.com/egypt/main.htm I too am interested in the possibility of further tunnels/tombs under the Sphinx and the general area. (also in the fictional representation of Egypt before 1940) But not to be shown as a live event. One plus was a new commercial for The Mummy remake. Actually got to see a glimpse of the mummy. > Marta "Well look at me, I'm all fuzzy." - - alt.Willow Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:25:22 +1100
From: Craig Walker <cwalker(at)lto.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: RE: er, Egyptian Povich?
Good Afternoon,
I will look forward to seeing this Mythstorical interlude this evening
(about 4.5 hours from now) on our Channel 9 (TCN network). They've been
hyping it for a week or so.
Regarding the era-issues though. What e-texts are available (readable
through FTP retrieval) regarding the aracheological exploits of the
1890's. Mind you these can be fiction , or non. Just that this was *the*
era of Dilletant-Archaeologists, where money gave the right to plunder
antiquities and curses of tombs and such abounded.
Thanks
Craig Walker
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:26:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Taylor mystery solved
After my recent post on the exhumation of Jesse James, I fear that I
risk being thought a ghoul in reporting the following about the
exhumation of President Zachery Taylor. I believe there was some talk
on the list at the time, but I don't remember hearing how the case
was resolved. Here, from the Oak Ridge National Laboraties, is a
brief statement of the findings.
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President Zachary Taylor and the Laboratory:
Presidential Visit from the Grave
Shortly after breaking ground for the Washington Monument on July 4, 1850,
President Zachary Taylor, a hero of the Mexican War, fell ill. When he
died suddenly a few days later, the cause was listed as
gastroenteritis--inflammation of the stomach and intestines.
Some historians suspected that Taylor's death may have had other causes,
and in 1991 one convinced Taylor's descendants that the president might
have suffered arsenic poisoning. As a result, Taylor's remains were
exhumed from a cemetery in Louisville and Kentucky's medical examiner
brought samples of hair and fingernail tissue to Oak Ridge National
Laboratory for study.
In the Chemical and Analytical Sciences Division, Larry Robinson and Frank
Dyer headed the Taylor investigation, using neutron activation analysis to
measure the amount of arsenic in the hair and nail samples. After placing
the samples in a beam of neutrons from the High Flux Isotope Reactor, Dyer
and Robinson looked at the gamma rays coming from the samples for the
distinctive energy levels associated with the presence of arsenic. Arsenic
is among the easier elements to identify through neutron activation and
can be detected in a few parts per million. Most human bodies contain
traces of arsenic, so the essential issue in the Taylor case was whether
the samples from Taylor contained more arsenic than would be normal after
141 years in the crypt.
Working late in the evenings, Dyer and Robinson in a few days calculated
the arsenic levels in the samples and sent them to the Kentucky medical
examiner for his decision. After reviewing the test results, the examiner
announced that the arsenic levels in the samples were several hundred
times less than they would have been if the president had been poisoned
with arsenic. This finding acquitted several of Taylor's prominent
contemporaries of the suspicion of murder and proved that history and
science share a common quest for truth.
<<
So another mystery has fallen to the investigations of modern science.
I understand that arsenic was used in embalming in those days, so
the low amounts of it found in Taylor seems to be quite strong
evidence.
The National Oak Ridge National Laboratories site can be found at
http://www.ornl.gov/ornlhome/home.htm
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy; meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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