In this issue: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Twain Today in History - July 22 Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Re: Twain Chat: Lestrade's Real Name Re: Twain OT: Tombstone question RE: Tombstone question Marchand Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead RE: "The Hunley" Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Today in History - July 23 Re: Today in History - July 23 Re: Today in History - July 23 Etext avail: more of Jarvis' _Hampstead_ _Geoffrey Hampstead_ A query..... RE: Chat: Children's site Re: RE: Chat: Children's site RE: RE: Chat: Children's site RE: _Geoffrey Hampstead_ -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: JackA27360(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? In a message dated 7/19/99 3:59:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU writes: << Lestrade is referred to by his first name, something like Solto. Does anyone know if this is really mentioned in The Canon? Just curious. >> I just performed a word search of the entire Canon using Mr. Moon's MoonFind Search Engine and did not find the words Solto and Lestrade mentioned together. In fact the name Solto is never mentioned in the Canon, however Sholto is in the Canon as a family name that appears in Doyle's second novel "The Sign Of The Four." Lestrade is always referred to as Inspector Lestrade or Mr. Lestrade in the fourteen stories that his name is mentioned. His first name is never uttered. So like the immortal Spencer and the Continental Op we will just have to imagine what first name these famous figures of fiction had---or maybe their mothers never gave them a first name, referring to them instead as "Spencer", "Op" and "Lestrade." So I guess the answer to your question is---Solto or Sholto is never mentioned in the Canon as Lestrade's first name. Jack Jack Allamanno Naples, Florida
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:07:38 -0500 From: Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: Twain Greetings, I would greatly appreciate recommendations (and ruminations, tall tails, gripes and embellishments) on the best bio of Twain... the real man and his times. With heart, Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse ~Art is the clothing of a revelation. ~Joseph Campbell
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:43:56 -0600 From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> Subject: Today in History - July 22 1812 A British army under the Duke of Wellington defeats the French at Salamanca, Spain. 1814 Five Native American tribes in Ohio make peace with the United States and declare war on Britain. 1864 Confederate General John Bell Hood launches an all-out attack on Union General William T. Sherman's army in the Battle of Atlanta 1881 Volume I of _The War of the Rebellion: A compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies_, is published. 1894 The first automobile race takes place between Paris and Rouen, France. Birthdays 1822 Gregor Johann Mendel, Austrian botanist whose work with sweet peas led to his theory of heredity 1849 Emma Lazarus, American poet, part of whose "New Colossus" is inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty 1890 Rose Kennedy, mother of President John F. Kennedy and senators Robert and Edward Kennedy 1893 Karl Menninger, founder of the Menninger Foundation to studiy mental health problems 1898 Stephen Vincent Benet, poet and short-story writer, author of _ John Brown's Body_ and "The Devil and Daniel Webster".
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 10:10:26 -0700 (PDT) From: charles king <lit57(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? All, I refer you all to "The Adventure of the Cardboard Box". In it is a letter from Lestrade to Holmes. He signs it G. Lestrade. Not the complete name but it narrows it down somewhat. I beleive we can further narrow it down to popular English names of the peroid. So of course George tops the list, but I have vague memory of one of the movies blurting out his name as Gerald, but I must investigate further. Charles A. King Mystery Editor, Writer's Hood, and creator of the Barbary Coast Mysteries. >From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> >Reply-To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >Subject: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? >Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:15:18 -0700 > >Richard wrote: <<Lestrade is referred to by his first name, >something like Solto. Does anyone know if this is really >mentioned in The Canon? Just curious.>> > >I do not think Lestrade's first name was ever mentioned in the >Canon. I am certain the answer will appear in Steve >Clarkson's new _Canonical Compendium_ to be published >this month. Does anyone have a copy yet? > >best, >Patricia > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:16:48 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: Twain The one that Our Bob recommended to me, whose name I now forget, was excellent. Just ran into Frances at the supermart (a first) and we went for juice etc. afterwards. She has written an 11-chapter outline of the Green Man and the Goddess, and is also going to do a workshop or workshops called The Cloths of Heaven, about making floorcloths (hers are beautiful). Lurv, Carroll
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:15:00 -0500 From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU Subject: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name Jack gave me the idea, so I did a search on Hotbot (which used to be the biggest search engine on the Web, but probably no longer) using the terms "sholto and lestrade" and got eight hits. I didn't bother with them all, but I got the following blurb about another book by the author I mentioned. If Lestrade's first name has the initial G then one wonders where Trow got the name Sholto Joseph. Any ideas here? "M.J.Trow ---Lestrade and the Devil's Own --- Constable (0 09 476230 9) ?14.99 See Review Sholto Joseph Lestrade, I am arresting you on suspicion of the murder of Mrs. Millicent Millichip on January the 4th last in the city of Westminster." Lestrade had never been arrested before. Neither had he faced the drop. But when a woman died in his arms in the middle of a pea-souper, the Fates were stacked against him. Millicent Millichip, it turned out, was not the only victim in a series of murders where the only clue was the Devil's calling card. The condemned cell at Pentonville is a lonely place, even for a man with a loving family and powerful friends. But are they powerful enough? " In the novel I'm reading, something like The Adventures of Inspector Lestrade, we finally get some glimpses of Holmes that are none too flattering. Richard
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> Subject: Re: Twain On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, Mattingly Conner wrote: > Greetings, > I would greatly appreciate recommendations (and ruminations, tall tails, > gripes and embellishments) on the best bio of Twain... the real man and his > times. > A good place to start in reading about Twain is Twain's own idiosyncratic _Autobiography_, which is more a set of reminscences than an autobiography, but every page sings. As for biographies, first try Albert Bigelow Paine's 3 volume _Mark Twain, A Biography, The Personal and Literary Life of Samuel Langhorne Clemens_. This work, published in 1912 (two years after Twain's demise), is the "official" biography, having been written by a friend of The Great Man (although it might be said that Paine appropriated Twain). The problem with an "official" biography is that it withholds much that scholars would know; the strength, in this case, is that the author reveals things that only he could know. Milton Melzer produced, in 1960, a fine folio volume entitled _Mark Twain, A Pictorial Life_. Twain was a very photogenic fellow, and besides his world is the world of our period. Finally, I would recommend Justin Kaplan's Pulitzer Prize-winning biography _Mr. Clemens and Mark Twain_ (1966) Kaplan is a good writer, an astute thinker, and as thorough as can be reasonably expected. He has a psychoanalytic bias but it is not intrusive. He also has great sympathy for his subject, always a help. Twain's life has attracted a good deal of specific attention (for instance, in works with titles like _Mark Twain in Germany_, _Mark Twain in England_), but I would send a reader who wants the grand sweep to the above productions, especially Kaplan. Bob Champ _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Robert L. Champ rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity Whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy, meditate on these things Philippians 4:8 rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:31:39 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: OT: Tombstone question written on a tombstone in the 1880's "Raised by his remainders" Does anyone have a clue what this means? Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:53:41 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)iname.com> Subject: RE: Tombstone question Could it mean the tombstone was erected by his descendants? Jim > written on a tombstone in the 1880's > > "Raised by his remainders" > > Does anyone have a clue what this means? > > Deborah
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:04:12 +0000 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Marchand Bob: I was over on alt.obituaries, and saw your posting about Leslie Marchand. Thanks for letting us know. I've got the Byron letters set and the biography, and Marchand was truly a great scholar. I'm sorry to hear that he's gone. Marta
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 17:09:49 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <pteter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead I sent a message this morning regarding Jarvis' story, but it seems to have fallen into a black hole. I will attempt to recreate the message if it does not appear soon. In the meantime, has anyone read it yet? I would be interested in hearing comments on the first five chapters. Is anyone familiar with this author? Did he write other novels? If this was the most reviewed novel of its time, what did the reviews say? best, Patricia
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:57:29 -0600 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Patricia T. asks what the reviews of Jarvis' _Hampstead_ said. I haven't seen one myself. Does anyone have access to _Nation_, vol. 51, p. 507 (1890-dec-25)? This is the only citation for a review which I've been able to trace. Thomas Stinson Jarvis, sometimes called simply Stinson Jarvis, wrote a sequel novel to _Geoffrey Hampstead_, called _Dr. Perdue_ (1892). I've not been able to find a copy, tho I should investigate the microfilm libraries. He also wrote books on spritual questions. Here's my version of his bibliography, consisting of three novels and three non-fiction works. Letters from east longitudes: sketches of travel in Egypt, the Holy Land, Greece and cities of the Levant / by Thomas Stinson Jarvis Toronto : J. Campbell, c1875. Call number: DS48 J37 1875 Subject: Middle East--Description and travel Egypt--Description and travel Greece--Description and travel Geoffrey Hampstead / by Jarvis, Stinson, 1854- New York, D. Appleton and company, 1890. 378 p. 19 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: PZ3.J299 G or PS8469 A8 G4 Dr. Perdue / by Jarvis, Stinson, 1854- Chicago, Laird & Lee, 1892. 397 p. incl. front. plates. 21 cm. She lived in New York, a novel / Jarvis, Stinson, 1854- New York, The Judge publishing company, 1894. 304 p. 20 cm. The ascent of life, or, The psychic laws and forces in nature / by Stinson Jarvis Boston : Arena Pub. Co., c1894. 3 p. l., iii, 120 p. front. (port.) 23 x 18 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: BF1999 .J3 Subject: Hypnotism Mesmerism "... First printed as a series of articles in The Arena Magazine ..."--Pref. General note: The price of peace / by Jarvis, Stinson, 1854-1926. Los Angeles, Cal., Printed by J.F. Rowny press, 1921. viii, 9-126 p. illus., pl. 20 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: BL 910 .J37 Stephen D mailto:Sdavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:36:46 -0700 (PDT) From: charles king <lit57(at)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name Mr. King, No. None. It is a little hard to find thing that I just happened upon, so perhaps the author just glanced it over and never saw it. Judging by the rest of canon, there is no way to tell, no other reference made to his proper name. There is in one of the movies . . . The one about the great diamond set on the train, where Colonel Moran pretends to be Duncan Bleek a friend of Watson . . . where I believe the brief mention of his proper name is made, but as I said before it's a vague memory. Perhaps the author as like others spinning tales off from Doyle's work and just took a favorite name, and decided to use it as their "insider's tease." Writers often like to pepper spin off's with such things. One book, I recommend is by Mark Frost: (Co-authored Twin Peaks) "The List of Seven." Very good, and laiden with Holmes lore and inside jokes about the series. It uses Watson as the main character with the Holmes persona. The first book is well done and will scare the bejeebers (correct spelling?) out of you, the second . . . well. It's okay. Charles A. King >From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU >Reply-To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >Subject: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:15:00 -0500 > > > >Jack gave me the idea, so I did a search on Hotbot (which used to be the >biggest >search engine on the Web, but probably no longer) using the terms "sholto >and >lestrade" and got eight hits. I didn't bother with them all, but I got the >following blurb about another book by the author I mentioned. If Lestrade's >first name has the initial G then one wonders where Trow got the name >Sholto >Joseph. Any ideas here? > > >"M.J.Trow ---Lestrade and the Devil's Own --- Constable (0 09 476230 9) >?14.99 >See Review > >Sholto Joseph Lestrade, I am arresting you on suspicion of the murder of >Mrs. >Millicent Millichip on January the 4th last in the city of Westminster." > >Lestrade had never been arrested before. Neither had he faced the drop. But >when >a woman died in his arms in the middle of a pea-souper, the Fates were >stacked >against him. > >Millicent Millichip, it turned out, was not the only victim in a series of >murders where the only clue was the Devil's >calling card. > >The condemned cell at Pentonville is a lonely place, even for a man with a >loving family and powerful friends. But >are they powerful enough? " > >In the novel I'm reading, something like The Adventures of Inspector >Lestrade, >we finally get some glimpses of Holmes that are none too flattering. > >Richard > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:30:51 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <pteter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Stephen wrote: <<Thomas Stinson Jarvis, sometimes called simply Stinson Jarvis, wrote a sequel novel to _Geoffrey Hampstead_, called _Dr. Perdue_ (1892).>> This is fascinating. Thanks for the information, Stephen. I can not imagine where a sequel would lead after reading the first five chapters of _Geoffrey Hampstead_. The deliberate and gradual introduction to the character Geoffrey is intriguing and I am curious where the story will take Geoffrey next. Jarvis' rendering of other characters is much more succinct and immediate. For instance, Joseph Lindon is wonderfully characterized in a few paragraphs. While describing Lindon, Jarvis also takes a stab at society in the following paragraph: <<His entertainments gave satisfaction to those who thought they knew what a good glass of wine was. Mr. Lindon himself did _not_. Few do. When exhausted he took a little whisky. When he entertained, he sipped the wine that an impecunious gentleman was paid to purchase for him, regardless the cost. So, although there were those who turned up their noses at Joseph Lindon while they swallowed him, there did not seem to be any reluctance in going through the same motions with his wine.>> Among Jarvis' many quips is this from Chapter V: <<...one of those warm gatherings where the oft-tried case of "pleasure v. perspiration" results so frequently in an undoubted verdict for the defendant.>> I look forward to more chapters and to comments from the group. best, Patricia
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:23:19 +1000 From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au> Subject: RE: "The Hunley" Hi Everyone - If this film EVER gets released on video, please let me know. Regards Craig Walker +---------------------------------------+ Craig Walker Genre Manipulations - Reality Engineers Ph: Intl +61 2 9550-0815 Fx: Intl +61 2 9564-5689 Mb: Intl +61 419 22-0013 ICQ: 1053193 genre(at)tig.com.au "Cross a Goldfish with an Elephant and you get an Elephant ...that never....erm....something" +---------------------------------------+ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Robert Champ > Sent: Thursday, 22 July 1999 16:36 > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > Subject: "The Hunley" > > > Saw this film yesterday and enjoyed it a good deal, especially Armand > Assante and Donald Sutherland (quite believable as General > Beauregard, but > looking sometimes as if he were auditioning for the part of > Cyrano.) The > supporting cast, as in that other Turner foray into Civil War history, > "Gettysburg," was excellent, particularly Sebastian Roche as > Collins, the > Irish hothead worried about his real courage. > > I loved the scene at the roofless opera house where the > audience, panicked > by incoming Yankee fire, is on the point of stampeding when > Assante gets > them to sing "The Bonny Blue Flag"--one of the great anthems of the > Confederacy--bringing them back to their senses and even to their > dignity. Suddenly the bombardment stops and the audience breatks into > applause, only to the have the camera move back to show the scene of > destruction beyond. I can well imagine that some such scene might have > taken place in the Charleston of those day. (I was also amazed at the > credits sequence: a brave way to open a film.) > > I would like to have seen this film on the big screen, but I > suspect that > Turner's efforts will never get beyond the tv screen--which is too bad > when the film is as good as this (and when one considers the truly > mediocre quality of so many films that do make it into the theaters). > > Bob C. > > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > Robert L. Champ > rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu > Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > > Whatever things are pure, whatever things are > lovely, whatever things are of good report, if > there is any virtue and if there is anything > praiseworthy, meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > > rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:56:05 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <pteter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Jarvis' Geoffrey Hampstead Stephen listed Jarvis' titles: <<_Letters from east longitudes: sketches of travel in Egypt, the Holy Land, Greece and cities of the Levant_, 1875; _Geoffrey Hampstead_, 1890; _Dr. Perdue_, 1892; _She lived in New York, a novel_, 1894; _The ascent of life, or, The psychic laws and forces in nature_, c1894; _The price of peace_, 1921>> I have always been curious at the range of topics covered by turn of the century authors. Stephen, do you have any idea of the subject of _The Price of Peace_? WWI? From my reading of five chapters, I am very curious about the reviews of _Geoffrey Hampstead_, especially reviews from Toronto. Hopefully, we will locate at least one review. Does anyone have access to any reviews of the book? Stephen, was the book ultimately a bestseller in Canada? It is always fascinating to look back at bestseller lists of any given year and realize most 20th century readers have never heard of the title or the author listed. I am certain that many of today's bestsellers are better forgotten. <g> Ah, I forgot to mention the widow Priest and her son Patsy in my message yesterday... very Dickensian these two! Take a look at Chapter II. best, Patricia
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 11:29:39 -0600 From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> Subject: Today in History - July 23 1803 Patriots throughout Ireland rebel against Union with Great Britain. 1849 German rebels in Baden surrender to the Prussians. 1863 Bill Anderson and his Confederate guerillas burn the railway station at Renick, Missouri. 1865 William Booth founds the Salvation Army. 1868 The 14th Amendment is ratified, granting citizenship to African Americans. 1885 Ulysses S. Grant, commander of Union forces at the end of the Civil War and seventeenth president of the United States, dies at age 63. 1894 Japanese troops capture the Korean imperial palace. 1903 The Ford Motor Company sells its first automobile, the Model A. Brithday 1834 James Gibbons, American religious leader, founder of Catholic University. 1888 Raymond Chandler, writer of detective stories, many featuring Philip Marlowe. 1891 Haile Selassi, Emperor of Ethiopia. 1906 Marston Bates, American zoologist, author of The Nature of Natural History.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 15:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History - July 23 Another birthday... in 1816, the great American actress Charlotte Cushman, know for her enormous power onstage, and once heralded as the "finest Romeo the London stage had seen in a decade." She's from Boston, and is buried at Mt Auburn cemetery in Cambridge. Re this latter -- every Spring I take my History of Theatre class to Mt Auburn as a stress-buster just before finals. It is, as most or many of you know, a beautiful arboretum. We visit Cushman and Edwin Booth's graves as a rationale for hiring the bus. It is always worth it. best phoebe
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> Subject: Re: Today in History - July 23 On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Jerry Carlson wrote: > 1885 > Ulysses S. Grant, commander of Union forces at the end of >the Civil War and seventeenth president of the United States, dies at age >63. Here is another Twain connection. Twain was the publisher of Grant's memoirs, a work that Grant, then dying of throat cancer, struggled to finish, knowing that it would be his one financial legacy to his family. Grant _dictated_ the book, so you can imagine the difficulties he faced. The book, needless to say, was a tremendous success. Bob C. _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Robert L. Champ rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity Whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy, meditate on these things Philippians 4:8 rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:25:21 -0600 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: Etext avail: more of Jarvis' _Hampstead_ (GEOFFMEN.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos) Thomas Stinson Jarvis' _Geoffrey Hampstead_ (1890) geoffX06.nvl geoffX07.nvl geoffX08.nvl geoffX09.nvl geoffX10.nvl Jarvis' novel, _Geoffrey Hampstead_ (1890), continues with another five chapters To retrieve all the plain ASCII files send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA with no subject heading and completely in lowercase: open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca cd /gaslight get geoffX06.nvl get geoffX07.nvl get geoffX08.nvl get geoffX09.nvl get geoffX10.nvl or visit the Gaslight website at: http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/geoffmen.htm Stephen D mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 01:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> Subject: _Geoffrey Hampstead_ The narrator of our story is a very clever man, and reminds us of the fact so often that the story sometimes seems to have been written to demonstrate his cleverness. The young men of the story are also clever, although they can be naive (think of Jack trusting his Nina alone with a man of Geoffrey's attractions, a man he believes he knows "pretty well"). Their talk is full of the banter of gentlemen who get along well in society, who come to be known as amusing. Geoffrey, from the look of it, seems to be something more, especially when he toys with Nina, exercising his power over her, and then warns her off. But as yet I am willing to withhold judgment on him. The reduction of Nina from independent girl to absolute sap impressed me as a little sudden; but unless one is a born sap this is no doubt how it is accomplished--at a blow. Is Geoffrey really that hypnotic? He does have the deep voice and powerful visage of the accomplished mesmerist. Indeed, when he tells Nina, who is on the point of breaking off their little jaunt, "I wish you to come here," I thought of the line delivered with such hypnotic forcefulness by Bela Lugosi's Count Dracula, "Come here!" Nina has no other option, it seems, but to obey--though, when it comes down to it, she is only doing what she really wants to do. And there is nothing more appealing than to be told to do what you are inclined to already, even if part of your mind is fighting it. (On the other hand, we must remember that Geoffrey is a bank clerk. You have to wonder what a man of his apparent talents is doing in that profession.) But Nina isn't half as interesting to me as Margaret Mackintosh, or apparently to Geoffrey either. Margaret seems to have inoculated herself against the Hampstead fascination, so much so that I hope we have scenes of the two of them together later. An interesting contest if it ever comes off. Bob C. _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Robert L. Champ rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity Whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy, meditate on these things Philippians 4:8 rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net _________________________________________________ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 16:58:59 +1000 From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au> Subject: A query..... Morning, I just read on another list I am no that thyere was a $3 bill printed in NY with St Nick's face on it.... Is this true? Craig +---------------------------------------+ Craig Walker Genre Manipulations - Reality Engineers Ph: Intl +61 2 9550-0815 Fx: Intl +61 2 9564-5689 Mb: Intl +61 419 22-0013 ICQ: 1053193 genre(at)tig.com.au "Cross a Goldfish with an Elephant and you get an Elephant ...that never....erm....something" +---------------------------------------+
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 19:24:13 +1000 From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au> Subject: RE: Chat: Children's site Hi there all, Just tried to jump into the Children's literary site (as listed in Deb's original message below) and got an "Access Forbidden" message. OK I'm confused...can anyone - Deb? - help out? Thanks Craig +---------------------------------------+ Craig Walker Genre Manipulations - Reality Engineers Ph: Intl +61 2 9550-0815 Fx: Intl +61 2 9564-5689 Mb: Intl +61 419 22-0013 ICQ: 1053193 genre(at)tig.com.au "Cross a Goldfish with an Elephant and you get an Elephant ...that never....erm....something" +---------------------------------------+ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Deborah McMillion > Nering > Sent: Saturday, 8 May 1999 10:14 > To: Gaslight > Subject: Chat: Children's site > > > Editec's Children's Collection: > > http://www.editec.net > > Web's largest collection of antique children's books online. > All material > is from the 19th and early 20th century, which means that the > collection is > entirely copyright-available. > > Just in case there are any Gassers interested. > > Deborah > > Deborah McMillion > deborah(at)gloaming.com > http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html > >
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 08:50:44 -0700 From: North <north(at)spiritmail.zzn.com> Subject: Re: RE: Chat: Children's site I just tried accessing the site well anc a got a message saying the vitrual directory does not allow the contents to be listed. It maybe that whoever runs the sites doesn't allow public access to the site. You may try to contact the owner of the site and find out if a special password is needed. North ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 01:05:13 +1000 From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au> Subject: RE: RE: Chat: Children's site Hi there North, Tried to send to wen=bmaster at the site, but the mail bounced back. I guess the children's site isn't up anymore. Damn Craig +---------------------------------------+ Craig Walker Genre Manipulations - Reality Engineers Ph: Intl +61 2 9550-0815 Fx: Intl +61 2 9564-5689 Mb: Intl +61 419 22-0013 ICQ: 1053193 genre(at)tig.com.au "Cross a Goldfish with an Elephant and you get an Elephant ...that never....erm....something" +---------------------------------------+ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of North > Sent: Sunday, 25 July 1999 01:51 > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > Subject: Re: RE: Chat: Children's site > > > I just tried accessing the site well anc a got a message > saying the vitrual directory does not allow the contents to > be listed. It maybe that whoever runs the sites doesn't > allow public access to the site. You may try to contact the > owner of the site and find out if a special password is needed. > > North > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com >
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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:08:54 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <pteter(at)getty.edu> Subject: RE: _Geoffrey Hampstead_ Bob C. wrote: <<Geoffrey, from the look of it, seems to be something more, especially when he toys with Nina, exercising his power over her, and then warns her off. But as yet I am willing to withhold judgment on him. >> Many thanks for your comments, Bob. You, as always, have summarized the first section beautifully. I have remained fairly neutral as far as Geoffrey is concerned as well, however, he is beginning to look like a dark horse indeed. At least once in the first five chapters Geoffrey is likened to "an angel or a devil" and now in Chapter VI, in discussing good and evil, states that Geoffrey's evil is "more pronounced than with most people." <<The reduction of Nina from independent girl to absolute sap impressed me as a little sudden; but unless one is a born sap this is no doubt how it is accomplished--at a blow.>> By this point, I did not have much compassion for Nina, who had cruelly toyed with the naive Jack's affections. She is an independent girl, yet she is also terribly selfish, therefore Geoffrey's command over her coincides with her selfish desires. As you said, Margaret Mackintosh is the most interesting by far, and yes, she has reappeared in Chapter VI. I am intrigued by Rankin's remarks after the dinner with Geoffrey: "So I have got another client, I perceive. That dinner to-day was a fee -- nothing else in the world. I don't know now that I altogether like my new client. ..." Where will this lead? Is this part of the mystery? Or, is Geoffrey the mystery! best, Patricia ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #85 *****************************