In this issue: Re: Blair Witch Folklore Re: Blair Witch Legends and Urban Legends Re: Blair Witch Re: Blair Witch Blair Witch Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Re: Re: Blair Witch Today in History - July 20 about what to call the next decade ... Football above them, football around them Re: Blair Witch Re: Football above them, football around them RE: Football above them, football around them RE: Football above them, football around them RE: Football above them, football around them Etext avail: Jarvis' _Geoffrey Hampstead_ Re: Football above them, football around them Today in History - July 21 Re: Football above them, football around them Re: Today in History - July 21 Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Re: Football above them, football around them "The Hunley" -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: GargoyleMG(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Blair Witch North, I will go ahead and check out the list you've posted. I'm very interested in folklore concerning ghosts, witches , haunted places and curses. Thank you very much for your offer to help me. Deborah, I actually have the two books you mentioned in my own library. I don't know, I didn't recognize the " Bell Witch " in the " Blair Witch " ( except for the names sounding similar ). Myself, I thought the " Blair Witch " resembled the witch in " Hansel & Gretal " But this is the stuff of discussion! Anyway, thank you for replying to my post. It was very kind of you. Anita
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:44:02 -0500
From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU
Subject: Folklore
I've got a web site based on folklore/folktales of the county in southern
Indiana in which I live. You might find it interesting at
http://rking.vinu.edu/folklore.htm .
Richard King
rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
Subject:
Re: Blair Witch
Date:
Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:07:58 -0500
From:
GargoyleMG(at)aol.com
To:
gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
North,
I will go ahead and check out the list you've posted. I'm very interested
in
folklore concerning ghosts, witches , haunted places and curses.
Thank you very much for your offer to help me.
Deborah,
I actually have the two books you mentioned in my own library. I don't
know,
I didn't recognize the " Bell Witch " in the " Blair Witch " ( except for
the
names sounding similar ). Myself, I thought the " Blair Witch " resembled
the
witch in " Hansel & Gretal "
But this is the stuff of discussion!
Anyway, thank you for replying to my post. It was very kind of you.
Anita
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:04:27 -0400 From: Kay Douglas <gwshark(at)erols.com> Subject: Re: Blair Witch I write to you from the heart of Blair Witch country, Montgomery County, Maryland. Let me tell you, the local teen-agers here have worked themselves up into a *state* over this film, which purportedly takes place in the woods in Maryland (some kids are saying near Blair H.S., though that's not the case, of course). The premise of the film is that three Montgomery College students go into the woods to do some filming, but never come back. Later, a camera containing "footage" showing what happened to them (sort of) is recovered. Thing is, a lot of kids here are convinced that the film footage is real, even though the trailer to the film apparently gives the hoax away. A high school girl was telling me the other day of kids who were painting satanic symbols on their foreheads and of all the wild rumors about the film that are circulating among teens. This film is obviously destined to be a cult classic, though one hopes it doesn't end up infamous as the inspiration for some bone-head taking it all too literally and emulating it with a violent spree. Kay Douglas Montgomery College From a story in the Washington Post on the Blair Witch Project http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-07/11/047l-071199-idx.ht ml "Myrick and Sanchez's commercial writing, directing and editing debut--passed off as the true story of the 1994 disappearance of three Montgomery College film students while documenting a local legend of witchcraft in the woods of suburban Maryland--first worked its disturbing magic on audiences at this year's Sundance Film Festival. A mere 24 hours after the first of four sold-out screenings, the film was picked up for distribution by a slavering Artisan Entertainment for a sum reported to be in the low seven figures. Not a bad return for film that, Sanchez jokes, "cost about as much as a new Ford Taurus with all the options." "The Blair Witch Project," which opens here Friday, has in six short months become one of the most anticipated summer releases among connoisseurs of the creepy, as much for the elaborate mythology surrounding the film's creation as for its boo-ability. Part of the reason for the buzz is the film's unsettlingly realistic style. Alternating between grainy black-and-white film stock and color video footage (all of it shot by shaky, hand-held cameras and much of it in the middle of the night), "Witch" presents itself as the painstaking reconstruction of a school project left unfinished by a trio of naive kids (Heather Donahue, Michael Williams and Joshua Leonard). One day, we are told, they vanished without a trace and are now presumed dead. When an eight-minute trailer for the film was shown in 1997 on "Split Screen," indie guru John Pierson's Independent Film Channel program, it was presented as fact, not fiction. Completely taken in by the trailer's elaborate verisimilitude, some viewers grew irate when subsequent rumors circulated on the Internet that there was more behind the making of "Witch" than Myrick and Sanchez were letting on. "The discussion turned from a discussion of the merits of the film to a moral issue," Myrick says. "Was it a hoax? Are we fooling people? It kind of marginalized what we're trying to do." In October of 1994, three student filmmakers disappeared in the woods near Burkittsville, Maryland while shooting a documentary. A year later their footage was found. With these stark on-screen titles, "The Blair Witch Project" begins. No credits, no cast list, no Directed by So-and-So. Until the end, when acknowledgments for such jobs as "Sound Mix" and "Scenic Art" roll by, its 87 low-tech minutes are almost, admits Myrick, "like watching a snuff film." "
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:10:30 -0500 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> Subject: Legends and Urban Legends There's an excellent web page about the way that the publicity for the Blair Witch Project has spawned the urban legend that it's based on a true story. It's at http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/blair.htm It includes a pointer to an interview with one of the actors, as well as articles and reviews. It doesn't sound at all my cup of tea, and I'm amazed at the furor it's created. I'm sure that Barbara Mikkelson, who created the page, would be delighted to learn about the Bell Witch connections and include information about them if someone knowledgeable contacted her. Kiwi Carlisle carlislc(at)psychiatry.wustl.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:29:48 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Blair Witch >I write to you from the heart of Blair Witch country, Montgomery County, >Maryland. Let me tell you, the local teen-agers here have worked themselves I'm really sad to hear all of this and sympathize with the people of Birketsville (Sp?), and the historical sites now in danger. One wonders how much of this is feigned ignorance on the part of the teenagers because they 'want it to be real' and/or can get a lot of attention making it real. I'm sad more for the filmmakers who came up with a very clever idea, filled it out with all this rich 'history' (including a marvelous mockup of a trial deposition book), and have it twisted this way. It was meant to be a good scare and most of the reviews I've seen have said they didn't think the teenage crowd would be interested since it's not a slasher. Ask the people of Savannah some time what they REALLY think of MIDNIGHT IN THE GARDEN OF GOOD AND EVIL. Sure, brought a lot of tourists but the perceptions it also brought were dang irritating. Also caused some havoc in the beautiful cemetery of Bonaventure. The family had to remove the statue on the cover of the book (the 'bird' girl) to the Telfair museum to protect it. Hopefully the opening of "The Haunting" will dissipate some of the attention on "Blair". I haven't seen it yet and do plan to just because I'm interested in folklore and I'm interested in their very fascinating film treatment. Deborah PS: I don't think Blair witch is like Bell witch but they are similar by being a part of the folklore. I know in the scifi channel "prequel" they compare it to Blair in a couple sentences using the Lovecraft technique. Mix real and fake things together and you have a hard time telling which one is which. Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: GargoyleMG(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Blair Witch I'm going to stick to my guns on this: The Blair Witch is indeed a hoax and it's a very good one at that. I'm afraid that the College students I sat next to while watching " The Blair Witch " here in Seattle, Washington have NEVER read a Grimm's Fairy Tale book in their over educated lives. In fact, I would say that anyone who searches for the " Blair Wtich " can do it from their homes, and they don't need to look any further then those books we all get for gifts when we're little kids. Point one: Instead of a trail of bread crumbs, you follow a trail of video tape ( it's a hi-tech trail, I guess ) The " the bundle of sticks " and the " stick bodies " reminded me of " gingerbread " men. Being that it would have spoiled the mood, I can see it would have been more effective to use the effigies instead of having the Witch turn them into cookies. I would have laughed, but I would have laughed alone.' Like the bad little children in folklore stories from all over the world they left the safety of the infamous "trail" and got " lost in the woods ". Duh, that particular story line has been done to death. Is nobody SEEING that? And as for the " Witch's House ", the " children " are fooled by a voice instead of being fooled by Candy Canes and Gum Drops. Once they get inside the evil witch tosses them in the oven ( or as in the movie, you see a basement that resembles the inside of a giant oven ) and boom, slams the door. The End Anita
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:50:28 -0500 From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU Subject: Blair Witch Anita: Very nice interpretation of BLAIR WITCH as modern version of our old childhood reading, which shows the power of such ancient stories over a new generation that perhaps has not experienced them. I wasn't that interested in seeing this film, but now I want to if it ever comes to my small town. Maybe it will spawn a new horror indie film revival of intelligent fright. Thanks. Richard King rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:56:21 -0500 From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU Subject: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Hello, all. I picked up a recent detective series that focuses on Inspector Lestrade as the hero of these novels. The author is M.J. Trow and there appear to be several in the series. I'm reading "The Adventures of Inspector Lestrade" at the present time, and it is pretty good so far with lots of interesting historical references. Lestrade's personality is not very well developed, but I have hopes. Lestrade is referred to by his first name, something like Solto. Does anyone know if this is really mentioned in The Canon? Just curious. Richard King rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:17:10 -0700 From: North <north(at)spiritmail.zzn.com> Subject: Re: Re: Blair Witch Here's that list I promised. It's only partial since I didn't have much time hope it helps Bulfinch's Mythology -available in any bookstore jsut astk Changling:An essay by D.L. Ashliman Disappeance of the Little People-edited by E. Dale Wenger Fairy legends of South Ireland-Crofton Croker 1827 look in a university library that's where I found my copy The Fairy Mythology-Thomas Keightly 1833 same place as above Irish Fairy and Folktales- W.B Yeats Faust-Goethe a good look at magic from the christian viewpoint, and Faust was a popular legend even before Goethe and Chris Marlowe set his story on paper The Life and Death of the Cormac the Skald- one of the Icelandic Sagas look in the bookstore under Icelandic myths and folklore same place in the library The Blue Fairy Book-by Andrew Lang bet.1889-1901 look in a university The Yellow Fairy Book library where I found them The Violet Fairy Book The Red Fairy Book Phantastes-George MacDonald and interesting look at a normal man's adventures in fairyland, borrows from many different legends Lilith- George MacDonald websites http://www.snopes.com-urban folklore and modern legends http://members.xoom.com/edupa/religion/myths.htm (everything you ever wanted to know and things you didn't about folklore, myths, ghost and witch legends http://www.falonjmu.edu/~ranseyil/tradlit.htm http://dandalk.com/dandalf/mythology.html http://slimemporia.edu/students/creed/10/creed.htm (african myths) hope this helps North ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:16:32 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 20
1864
Confederate General John B. Hood attacks Union forces under
General William T.
Sherman outside Atlanta in the Battle of Peachtree Creek.
1867
An Imperial army kills 20,000 Miao rebels in Guizhou, China.
1881
Lakota chief Sitting Bull surrenders to U.S. troops.
1917
Alexander Kerensky becomes the premier of Russia.
1969
Neil Armstrong, one of three men who had been launched from
Florida in a projectile
named "Columbia", and who will later land in the Pacific Ocean
to be picked up by a
US warship, [Verne fans will understand these references] sets
foot on the moon and
says, "Tell Mission Control it's Roquefort". [Alright, so
_Mad's Talking Stamps_ isn't
a trustworthy source for the quote.]
Birthdays
1850
John Graves Shedd, president of Marshall Field and Company,
first Chicago merchant
to give his employees a half-day off on Saturdays. [Hmmm...
The Shedd Aquarium and
the Field Museum of Natural History are both Chicago meccas
for young science buffs
in Illinois, and located practically next door to each other
... World Book Encyclopedia,
published by Field Enterprises, features dinosaur paintings
and anthropological sculptures
from the Field Museum ... I suspect there are some connections
here ...]
1919
Sir Edmund Hillary, the first European (and maybe the first
man) to reach the summit of
Mount Everest.
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:34:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peter E. Blau" <pblau(at)dgs.dgsys.com>
Subject: about what to call the next decade ...
A friend has noted:
WRITINGS FROM THE NEW YORKER, 1927-1976, by E. B. White, edited by Rebecca
M. Dale. Harper Collins, 1990, p. 224 (in 'The Life Triumphant'):
'The first award I ever received for meritorious work was from the
"Woman's Home Companion". The year, as I say, was 1909, or "Oughty Nine"
as it was then known.'
|| Peter E. Blau <pblau(at)dgs.dgsys.com> ||
|| 3900 Tunlaw Road NW #119 ||
|| Washington, DC 20007-4830 ||
|| (202-338-1808) ||
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:33:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Football above them, football around them
I find this AP story a little confusing. I suspect that what the writer
is trying to say is that, when The Citadel built its stadium, the graves
on the site were moved except for these.
<<
Crew of Civil War Submarine Found
CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Archaeologists dug beneath a football stadium for a
month and found the remains of 27 Confederate soldiers, including four
thought to be the first crew members on the Hunley. The Hunley, a submarine
made of old locomotive boilers and operated by hand cranks, made history in
February 1864, when it sank the Union blockade ship Housatonic. Its original
crew of five was lost in 1863, when the sub sank at its moorings. They were
buried in a sailors' cemetery, but their remains were accidentally left
behind. In 1947, The Citadel's built a stadium on the site.<<
This kind of thing doesn't happen only to anomymous soldiers. I read
an article today about the discovery of some of the ashes of Dante,
contained in a sack, which have been missing since 1929. There must have
been a sign on the sack somewhere: Ashes of Dante, Do Not Open. In
Italian, of course.
Bob C.
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lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 07:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: CLemas1161(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Blair Witch thanks for the great lists of sites! I'm actually new to this list, and already I'm finding such wonderful sources, from the web site on the poe festival in prague to folklore to movie reviews. looking these us will keep me busy for the next few days, I'm sure. Carol L.
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:33:47 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: Football above them, football around them There must have >been a sign on the sack somewhere: Ashes of Dante, Do Not Open. In >Italian, of course. > >Bob C. D'accordo! Or: Abandon all hope, ye who open. That's almost like Shakespeare's epitaph! Carroll
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:34:14 -0400 From: "Roberts, Leonard" <lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu> Subject: RE: Football above them, football around them No, what the writer should have explained was that when the stadium was about to be built, the bureaucratic form for moving the gravesites gave permission for only the gravestones to be moved. So the bodies were left in place. Evidently no one involved cared enough about the Confederate dead to work on correcting the error. Len Roberts > I find this AP story a little confusing. I suspect that what the writer > is trying to say is that, when The Citadel built its stadium, the graves > on the site were moved except for these. > > << > Crew of Civil War Submarine Found > > CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Archaeologists dug beneath a football stadium for > a > month and found the remains of 27 Confederate soldiers, including four > thought to be the first crew members on the Hunley. The Hunley, a > submarine > made of old locomotive boilers and operated by hand cranks, made history > in > February 1864, when it sank the Union blockade ship Housatonic. Its > original > crew of five was lost in 1863, when the sub sank at its moorings. They > were > buried in a sailors' cemetery, but their remains were accidentally left > behind. In 1947, The Citadel's built a stadium on the site.<< > > This kind of thing doesn't happen only to anomymous soldiers. I read > an article today about the discovery of some of the ashes of Dante, > contained in a sack, which have been missing since 1929. There must have > been a sign on the sack somewhere: Ashes of Dante, Do Not Open. In > Italian, of course. > > Bob C. > > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > Robert L. Champ > rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu > Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > > Whatever things are pure, whatever things are > lovely, whatever things are of good report, if > there is any virtue and if there is anything > praiseworthy, meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > > rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:40:52 -0400 From: "Marcella, Michelle E" <MMARCELLA(at)PARTNERS.ORG> Subject: RE: Football above them, football around them Bob The story about Dante and the missing ashes is very interesting. Can you cite the reference for that article? Michelle mmarcella(at)partners.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Champ [SMTP:rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 1:33 AM > To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > Subject: Football above them, football around them > > I find this AP story a little confusing. I suspect that what the writer > is trying to say is that, when The Citadel built its stadium, the graves > on the site were moved except for these. > > << > Crew of Civil War Submarine Found > > CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) - Archaeologists dug beneath a football stadium for > a > month and found the remains of 27 Confederate soldiers, including four > thought to be the first crew members on the Hunley. The Hunley, a > submarine > made of old locomotive boilers and operated by hand cranks, made history > in > February 1864, when it sank the Union blockade ship Housatonic. Its > original > crew of five was lost in 1863, when the sub sank at its moorings. They > were > buried in a sailors' cemetery, but their remains were accidentally left > behind. In 1947, The Citadel's built a stadium on the site.<< > > This kind of thing doesn't happen only to anomymous soldiers. I read > an article today about the discovery of some of the ashes of Dante, > contained in a sack, which have been missing since 1929. There must have > been a sign on the sack somewhere: Ashes of Dante, Do Not Open. In > Italian, of course. > > Bob C. > > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > Robert L. Champ > rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu > Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > > Whatever things are pure, whatever things are > lovely, whatever things are of good report, if > there is any virtue and if there is anything > praiseworthy, meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > > rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: RE: Football above them, football around them
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, Marcella, Michelle E wrote:
> Bob
>
> The story about Dante and the missing ashes is very interesting. Can you
> cite the reference for that article?
Sure thing. It appeared in yesterday's _Times_ of London. Here it is:
Dante's ashes found in library
WORKERS reorganizing the bookshelves at a Florence library found a sack
containing the ashes of Dante on Monday, 70 years after they disappeared.
The sack held a small amount of cremated remains taken from the poet's
tomb at Ravenna in 1865, more than 500 years after his death.
The ashes were donated to Florence's National Central Library. The library
lost all trace of them in 1929.
Library workers came upon the ashes on Monday morning while reordering the
rare manuscript section of the library, which holds more than 5,000
volumes. The ashes were found in a tiny, ticket-shaped bag, along with a
weathered, notarized parchment attesting to their authenticity.
Dante Alighieri, widely considered to have been Italy's greatest poet,
died of malaria in 1321 soon after finishing his most celebrated work, the
Divine Comedy, which traces a journey through Hell, Purgatory and Heaven
guided by Virgil and Beatrice.
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rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:47:50 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Etext avail: Jarvis' _Geoffrey Hampstead_
From: Stephen Davies(at)MRC on 07/21/99 11:47 AM
To: Gaslight-announce(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
cc:
Subject: Etext avail: Jarvis' _Geoffrey Hampstead_
(GEOFFMEN.HTM) (Fiction, Chronos)
Thomas Stinson Jarvis' _Geoffrey Hampstead_ (1890)
geoffX01.nvl
geoffX02.nvl
geoffX03.nvl
geoffX04.nvl
geoffX05.nvl
Jarvis' novel, _Geoffrey Hampstead_, is one of the Canadian classics of
crime fiction. Published in 1890, it was the "most reviewed book of its
day". When you read these first five chapters, you'll see why. Complex
moral issues are woven into character development with humour and subtlety.
Immediate response to these chapters from Gaslight readers would be much
appreciated. This is the main text for our July discussion, with
additional
chapters being added on a daily basis.
To retrieve all the plain ASCII files send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:
open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
cd /gaslight
get geoffX01.nvl
get geoffX02.nvl
get geoffX03.nvl
get geoffX04.nvl
get geoffX05.nvl
or visit the Gaslight website at:
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/geoffmen.htm
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:59:45 -0400 (EDT) From: JackA27360(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Football above them, football around them This is a fortunate find for Ted Tunrner's TNT Cable Network since the network has just premiered a made for TV movie called "The Hunley" starring Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland which details the exploits of this submarine. It had its first showing on Sunday, July 11, but will be on again tonight (21st) at 11PM and again on the 24th at 12PM. USA Today gave it a very good review and said it was a worthwhile movie to watch. Jack Jack Allamanno Naples Florida
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:30:53 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 21
1861
In the first major battle of the Civil War, Confederate forces
repel a flanking attack
by the Union Army at Bull Run, near Manassas, Virginia.
1865
Wild Bill Hickok kills Dave Tutt in Springfield, Illinois, in
the first formal quick-draw duel.
1896
Mary Church Terrell founds the National Association of Colored
Women in
Washington, D.C.
1906
French Captain Alfred Dreyfus is vindicated of his earlier
court-martial on charges of spying
for Germany.
1919
The British House of Lords ratifies the Treaty of Versailles.
Brithdays
1899
Ernest Hemingway, American writer
1911
Marshall McLuhan, communication theorist, who wrote _The
Medium is the Message_
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:18:43 +0000 From: Marta Dawes <smdawes(at)home.com> Subject: Re: Football above them, football around them My husband is a big nut about submarines, so I was kind of forced to watch "The Hunley" when he did since he couldn't wait till after I'd gone to bed. I'm not a fan of submarine movies; someone is always getting trapped in them and drowning, and I don't like those scenes. Well, knowing the story of the Hunley before it started helped. It was very well made. Armand was great as usual; in fact, he was the light and life of the movie. Donald Sutherland was the ultimate southern military commander. The entire cast was great. But there was a pall of gloom over the entire production, that I couldn't get away from. Since you know the sub didn't come back from its last mission, it just made the entire thing unbearable for me. They also did a good job with the sub. But once again, the thought of those men going into the sub after it had been raised the 1st time and the dead crewmen taken out, sometimes in pieces, was pretty gruesome. I might add that my husband really liked the movie, so if you're into subs and military manouvers, it's a good film. Marta JackA27360(at)aol.com wrote: > > This is a fortunate find for Ted Tunrner's TNT Cable Network since the > network has just premiered a made for TV movie called "The Hunley" starring > Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland which details the exploits of this > submarine. It had its first showing on Sunday, July 11, but will be on again > tonight (21st) at 11PM and again on the 24th at 12PM. USA Today gave it a > very good review and said it was a worthwhile movie to watch. > > Jack > Jack Allamanno > Naples Florida
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:25:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History - July 21 Also a birthday today... born 1856, Louise Bethune, the first woman architect in USA. phoebe
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:15:18 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Chat: Lestrade's Real Name? Richard wrote: <<Lestrade is referred to by his first name, something like Solto. Does anyone know if this is really mentioned in The Canon? Just curious.>> I do not think Lestrade's first name was ever mentioned in the Canon. I am certain the answer will appear in Steve Clarkson's new _Canonical Compendium_ to be published this month. Does anyone have a copy yet? best, Patricia
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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:26:43 -0400
From: "John D. Squires" <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Football above them, football around them
I too enjoyed TNT's "The Hunley" & thought it was a better
effort than Turner's earlier movie, "The Ironclads", about the
"Monitor" v. "Virginia" clash. As I recall though, the "Hunley" was
actually constructed at Mobil & sank with a crew or two there
before being shipped to Charleston. The courage [or stupidity]
of those successive crews volunteering to serve in that death trap
is almost beyond comprehension. There are attractive models of
"Hunley" & other ships & cannon significant to the Civil War around
Charleston, with interesting illustrations, available on line at:
http://www.cottage-industries.com/
They also have an attractive model of the "Turtle", the American
one man submarine which unsuccessfully attacked a British warship
during the Revolutionary War.
John Squires
Marta Dawes wrote:
> My husband is a big nut about submarines, so I was kind of forced to
> watch "The Hunley" when he did since he couldn't wait till after I'd
> gone to bed. I'm not a fan of submarine movies; someone is always
> getting trapped in them and drowning, and I don't like those scenes.
> Well, knowing the story of the Hunley before it started helped. It was
> very well made. Armand was great as usual; in fact, he was the light
> and life of the movie. Donald Sutherland was the ultimate southern
> military commander. The entire cast was great. But there was a pall of
> gloom over the entire production, that I couldn't get away from. Since
> you know the sub didn't come back from its last mission, it just made
> the entire thing unbearable for me. They also did a good job with the
> sub. But once again, the thought of those men going into the sub after
> it had been raised the 1st time and the dead crewmen taken out,
> sometimes in pieces, was pretty gruesome. I might add that my husband
> really liked the movie, so if you're into subs and military manouvers,
> it's a good film.
>
> Marta
>
> JackA27360(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > This is a fortunate find for Ted Tunrner's TNT Cable Network since the
> > network has just premiered a made for TV movie called "The Hunley" starring
> > Armand Assante and Donald Sutherland which details the exploits of this
> > submarine. It had its first showing on Sunday, July 11, but will be on again
> > tonight (21st) at 11PM and again on the 24th at 12PM. USA Today gave it a
> > very good review and said it was a worthwhile movie to watch.
> >
> > Jack
> > Jack Allamanno
> > Naples Florida
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:35:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: "The Hunley"
Saw this film yesterday and enjoyed it a good deal, especially Armand
Assante and Donald Sutherland (quite believable as General Beauregard, but
looking sometimes as if he were auditioning for the part of Cyrano.) The
supporting cast, as in that other Turner foray into Civil War history,
"Gettysburg," was excellent, particularly Sebastian Roche as Collins, the
Irish hothead worried about his real courage.
I loved the scene at the roofless opera house where the audience, panicked
by incoming Yankee fire, is on the point of stampeding when Assante gets
them to sing "The Bonny Blue Flag"--one of the great anthems of the
Confederacy--bringing them back to their senses and even to their
dignity. Suddenly the bombardment stops and the audience breatks into
applause, only to the have the camera move back to show the scene of
destruction beyond. I can well imagine that some such scene might have
taken place in the Charleston of those day. (I was also amazed at the
credits sequence: a brave way to open a film.)
I would like to have seen this film on the big screen, but I suspect that
Turner's efforts will never get beyond the tv screen--which is too bad
when the film is as good as this (and when one considers the truly
mediocre quality of so many films that do make it into the theaters).
Bob C.
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lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
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praiseworthy, meditate on these things
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