In this issue: Re: Statues of Authors More about the Count Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Re: More about the Count Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Today in History - July 1 Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ RE: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ Re: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ Today in History - July 2 Confederate agents in Canada, 1860's Shadow Web Pages F. O. C. Darley Web Page Declaration of Independence in American Re: Declaration of Independence in American Re: Declaration of Independence in American Re: Re: Declaration of Independence in American RE: Re: Declaration of Independence in American Re: Declaration of Independence in American music for the 4th Re: Re: Declaration of Independence in American Today in History - July 6 Re: Today in History - July 6 Today in History - July 7 Re: Today in History - July 7 Miner bio RE: Today in History - July 7 Re: Miner bio Philip Borsos Tribute Borsos' _Grey Fox_: what sources? Re: Today in History - July 1 -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:07:08 -0600 From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> Subject: Re: Statues of Authors Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 11:23:15 -0500 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> > There's also a statue of Robert Burns on the University campus,... This reminds me that there's also a statue of Bobbie Burns in the triangle between three streets in Cheyenne, which I mention in my story, "As Planned" - that it must have been erected by air travelers from Cheyenne in memory of his line "The best laid plans of mice and men / Gae oft agley." The University of Wyoming in Laramie has one of Ben Franklin (a little out of our period but probably still read then). And of course, the Buffalo Bill Museum in Cody has the hero of Ned Buntline's dime novels who probably did some writing himself. Jerry gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:40:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ginger Johnson <ferret(at)eskimo.com>
Subject: More about the Count
I finally finished the whole novel, all 1000 plus pages in smallish type.
Great fun to read. I was astonished at how well tied up all the ends are
and how much detail was shown about life in 1830s Paris.
Now about the ending. In the novel, Mercedes gives up her money to a
convent and goes back to Marseille. She renounces Edmond. He wonders why
she didn't keep half her money because she had earned it for her good
management of the family estate. Edmond realizes Haydee is in love with
him and goes off with her. (There's a lot more but the television series
didn't change that)
Television: Haydee is a bit part, only useful to bring down Morcerf. An
invented character (Camille) falls in love with the Count. He wants to
run off with her but she renounces him. Edmond, having impoverished
himself, goes back to Mercedes and they are going to live the Simple Life
together.
What bothered me so much was finding out how much of the television show
was faithful to the book and why it was deemed necessary to change. Why
add a character to the original cast of dozens and dozens?
Ginger Johnson
"It isn't the extravagances of life we regret, it's the economies."
- Somerville and Ross
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:03:52 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_
Next week's reading is really the screening of Philip Borsos' _The Grey Fox_
(1982), starring Richard Farnsworth and Jackie Burroughs, and released by United
Artists.
It is the story of Bill Miner, the gentleman train robber.
Stephen D
mailto:Sdavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:11:24 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: More about the Count > Edmond realizes Haydee is in love with him and goes off with her. But the Count (Edmond) doesn't give up his money does he?--when he goes off with Haydee? Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 08:46:36 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Stephen wrote: <<Next week's reading is really the screening of Philip Borsos' _The Grey Fox_ (1982), starring Richard Farnsworth and Jackie Burroughs, and released by United Artists. It is the story of Bill Miner, the gentleman train robber.>> This sounds like fun! _The Grey Fox_ is a delightful movie. Was this film based on a book or short story about Bill Miner? best regards, Patricia
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 10:03:24 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 1
1847
The U.S. Post Office issues the first American stamps.
1862
Confederate attacks fail to take Malvern Hill, Virginia.
1863
First dayof the Battle of Gettysburg. Confederate troops
drive the Union forces through
the town, but allow them to entrench at Cemetery Ridge and
Cemetery Hill.
1867
Canada becomes an independent dominion under the British North
America Act [Happy Canada
Day, Stephen and any other Canucks!]
1876
Montenegro declares war on the Ottoman Empire.
1898
American troops take San Juan Hill and El Caney, Cuba, from
the Spanish.
Birthdays
1882
Susan Glapell, playwright, author of Alison's House
1892
James M. Cain, author of The Postman Always Rings Twice and
Mildred Pierce
1899
Reverend Thomas Dorsey, credited as the father of gospel music
1916
Roland Robert Tuck, London, World War II flying ace who shot
down 29 enemy planes
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:08:29 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ >Stephen wrote: ><<Next week's reading is really the screening of Philip Borsos' _The Grey Fox_ >(1982), starring Richard Farnsworth and Jackie Burroughs, and released by >United >Artists. It is the story of Bill Miner, the gentleman train robber.>> Jackie Burroughs is one of Canada's Treasures, a great and endearing actress with seen-everything-and-still-glad-to-be- here eyes, a wonderful big wry smile, and a warm, eccentric presence (on film or when you pass by her in Toronto). For years I've found myself grinning at her and she at me when we pass each other -- one of those strange things I treasure. Recently a friend and I went to see Jackie and some other fine actors in the Tarragon Theatre's presentation of a dramatic version of Colette's CHERI. Afterward, to kill time before our dinner restaurant opened, my friend and I stopped for a cup of tea at a Chinese diner two blocks from the theatre. First the actress that played Leah came in, and the three of us immediately got into a discussion of the particular performance and what had been omitted from the Colette novels. No sooner had Leah departed than Jackie Burroughs came in, and again the three of us immediately got into a discussion. And Jackie kissed us both the minute we said hello, we'd loved the play. (Particularly her part, an all-seeing maid who was the narrator as well as an actor, hilarious.) Enjoy GREY FOX -- and Jackie. Carroll Bishop (cbishop(at)interlog.com )
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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 12:40:07 -0500 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Next week's reading is a screening :_The grey fox_ Well, ptui! The Grey Fox isn't available at my local video store or in the video collection of the two local libraries I haunt. Humph... Kiwi
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 08:40:48 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_
From: Stephen Davies(at)MRC on 07/02/99 08:40 AM
To: Gaslight-announce(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
cc:
Subject: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_
(FERGHUME.HTM#Hagar) (Fiction, Chronos)
Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop _ (1899)
for Carol T., who asked:
hagarX01.sht
hagarX02.sht
hagarX03.sht
hagarX04.sht
hagarX05.sht
hagarX06.sht
hagarX07.sht
These are the first seven chapters of _Hagar of the pawn-shop_
(1899), the second best known book of Fergus Hume, after _The
mystery of a Hansom cab_ (1886). There are more chapters to
follow.
I have a question about this passage in ch. 4:
> "I'll tell 'ee, never fear, miss; and a rum yarn it is.
>Y' won't take a drain, miss? No? Well, good day! good day,
>and thankee."
This is how it was printed in my copy of the book, but surely
the author intended to say: "Y'won't take a dram, miss?" Any
opinions?
To retrieve all the plain ASCII files send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
with no subject heading and completely in lowercase:
open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca
cd /gaslight
get hagarX01.sht
get hagarX02.sht
get hagarX03.sht
get hagarX04.sht
get hagarX05.sht
get hagarX06.sht
get hagarX07.sht
or visit the Gaslight website at:
http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/ferghume.htm#hagar
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
P.S. _The mystery of a Hansom cab_ will
appear on Gaslight in August.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:10:58 -0400 From: "Roberts, Leonard" <lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu> Subject: RE: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ You are probably correct that it is a misprint, but it suggested to me that it comes from the expression "drain your glass". I have read the request in other books, "Drain a glass with me." Len Roberts > From: Stephen Davies(at)MRC on 07/02/99 08:40 AM > > > To: Gaslight-announce(at)mtroyal.ab.ca > cc: > Subject: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ > > (FERGHUME.HTM#Hagar) (Fiction, Chronos) > Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop _ (1899) > > for Carol T., who asked: > > hagarX01.sht > hagarX02.sht > hagarX03.sht > hagarX04.sht > hagarX05.sht > hagarX06.sht > hagarX07.sht > These are the first seven chapters of _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ > (1899), the second best known book of Fergus Hume, after _The > mystery of a Hansom cab_ (1886). There are more chapters to > follow. > > > I have a question about this passage in ch. 4: > > > "I'll tell 'ee, never fear, miss; and a rum yarn it is. > >Y' won't take a drain, miss? No? Well, good day! good day, > >and thankee." > > This is how it was printed in my copy of the book, but surely > the author intended to say: "Y'won't take a dram, miss?" Any > opinions? > > > > To retrieve all the plain ASCII files send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA > > with no subject heading and completely in lowercase: > > > open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca > cd /gaslight > get hagarX01.sht > get hagarX02.sht > get hagarX03.sht > get hagarX04.sht > get hagarX05.sht > get hagarX06.sht > get hagarX07.sht > > > or visit the Gaslight website at: > > http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/ferghume.htm#hagar > > Stephen D > mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca > P.S. _The mystery of a Hansom cab_ will > appear on Gaslight in August. > >
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 12:34:59 -0400 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Etext avail: Fergus Hume's _Hagar of the pawn-shop_ At 08:40 AM 07/02/1999 -0600, you wrote: > > >From: Stephen Davies(at)MRC on 07/02/99 08:40 AM > ========== gottem second try. Thanks, Dad! Linda
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 16:00:42 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 2
1850
Prussia agrees to remove its troops from Schleswig and
Holstein.
1858
Czar Alexander II frees serfs working on imperial lands.
1863
During the Battle of Gettysburg, a Confederate attack on the
Union left flank drives
Sickles' III Corps from the Peach Orchard, but fails to
dislodge the 20th Maine from Little
Round Top .
1881
Charles J. Guiteau fatally wounds President James Garfield in
Washington, D.C.
The President lives until September 19.
Birthdays
1877
Herman Hesse, philosopher and author of Stepenwolf.
1908
Thurgood Marshall, first African-American Supreme Court
Justice.
Lillian Good, Minnesota antiquarian and favorite aunt who
instilled in me my love of
earlier American and Swedish life.
1918
Robert Sarnoff, president of NBC who made it the first
all-color television network.
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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 20:42:53 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Confederate agents in Canada, 1860's
Since July is the month usually devoted to Canadian authors and events,
here is a website giving informationa about Canada's sheltering agents of the
Confederate army during the Civil War.
The page was mounted by the National Library:
Excerpts from "Confederate Operations in Canada and New York"
http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/ns-search/confed/usconfe1.htm?NS-search-set=/377d7/aaaaabp
sa7d7827&NS-doc-offset=79&
Anyone without web access need only write me for a copy of the text.
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 01:38:02 -0500 From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU Subject: Shadow Web Pages I thought some of you might like to check out this that just came in from the Scout Report: 14. The Shadow PDF Files http://www.teleport.com/~skaye/index.html Who Knows What Evil Lurks In The Hearts Of Men? Created by several enthusiasts of the old pulp fiction _Shadow Magazine_, this site offers out-of-print classic Shadow tales in their entirety in .pdf format, even including the original graphics where available. Two stories are currently featured: "The Seven Drops of Blood," and "The House that Vanished." Twenty more tales of suspense and mystery to keep you on the edge of your keyboard can be found in the Back Issues section, including "The Man Who Died Twice," "The Voodoo Master," and "House of Ghosts." Users can also browse a collection of original magazine covers and related Shadow links and sign up for email notification of new stories. The stout-hearted may proceed with care. [MD] Richard King rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 07:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: LoracLegid(at)aol.com Subject: F. O. C. Darley Web Page Carol, Many thanks. I really enjoyed my tour of the Darley page and have it bookmarked for future visits. It is very much the kind of site that others on Gaslight would enjoy. Please consider posting it to the list. Yrs, Bob Champ Felix Octavious Carr Darley (1822-1888) was a popular American illustrator who, on the eve of the Civil War, settled in Claymont, Delaware. He established his reputation in the 1850s and was a much sought-after illustrator for books and periodicals. "Illustrated by Darley" became a potent phrase in new-book advertisements. www.focdarley.org Carol Digel Darley Society, Wilmington, Delaware LoracLegid(at)aol.com
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:21:34 -0400 (EDT) From: LoracLegid(at)aol.com Subject: Declaration of Independence in American <A HREF="http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/decind.html">Declaration of Independence in American, H. L. </A> http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/decind.html In church this morning the question was asked, when was the last time you read the Declaration of Independence? Here is H.L. Menken's 1921 version by Eldritch Press. Carol Digel Darley Society Wilmington, Delaware LoracLegid(at)aol.com www.focdarley.org
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:10:28 -0700 From: Jack Kolb <kolb(at)UCLA.EDU> Subject: Re: Declaration of Independence in American >In church this morning the question was asked, when was the last time you >read the Declaration of Independence? Here is H.L. Menken's 1921 version by >Eldritch Press. > >Carol Digel >Darley Society >Wilmington, Delaware >LoracLegid(at)aol.com >www.focdarley.org Very nice, Carol. Mencken is one of my heroes. In the past year, I've corrected several persons who've asserted that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are rights guaranteed in our Constitution. Jack Kolb Dept. of English, UCLA kolb(at)ucla.edu
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 15:30:55 -0600 (MDT) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Declaration of Independence in American On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Jack Kolb wrote, apropos Carol Digels's posting of H. L. Mencken' remarks: >> Very nice, Carol. Mencken is one of my heroes. In the past year, I've corrected several persons who've asserted that "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are rights guaranteed in our Constitution.<< All very well, but how does one persuade the vast - and it seems, far from silent majority - that "... the *pursuit* of happiness" is not the same as "... the *achievement* of happiness", and indeed, one may live one's life without reaching the aforesaid goal? When instant and lasting delight is everywhere guaranteed to the purchaser of X, or the user of Y, or the imbiber of Z, it seems to me that the original, qualified promise has been badly misinterpreted, as well as misconstrued as part of the American Constitution. Peter Wood
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 17:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Declaration of Independence in American In a message dated 7/4/99 9:37:12 PM, Peter W wrote: <<All very well, but how does one persuade the vast - and it seems, far from silent majority - that "... the *pursuit* of happiness" is not the same as "... the *achievement* of happiness", and indeed, one may live one's life without reaching the aforesaid goal?>> Ahh Peter, you miss the point... and although you are probably correct in asuming that most Americans miscontrue the "pursuit" to be "achievement of" - -- still remains a beacon. Carrot and stick? Or wondrous ideal. Something to think of, yearn for, die for. The right to "pursue happiness." That is what it means. The RIGHT to pursue. Actually, I think, most Americans understand the declaration, whether or not they confuse it with the Constitution. Let freedom ring! Happy Fourth! phoebe
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:08:34 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)mindspring.com> Subject: RE: Re: Declaration of Independence in American Phoebe wrote: > In a message dated 7/4/99 9:37:12 PM, Peter W wrote: > > <<All very well, but how does one persuade the vast - and it seems, > far from silent majority - that "... the *pursuit* of happiness" is not > the same as "... the *achievement* of happiness", and indeed, one may live > one's life without reaching the aforesaid goal?>> > > Ahh Peter, you miss the point... and although you are probably correct in > asuming that most Americans miscontrue the "pursuit" to be > "achievement of" > -- still remains a beacon. Here you're defining "pursuit" as a process. Another definition of pursuit, not common in today's vernacular, is "occupation." It may be that the writers of the Declaration simply meant everyone had the right to *be* happy, "happiness" perhaps having a slightly different connotation in those days, perhaps meaning simply to be free from the fear and burdens of an oppressive monarchy. Cheers, Jim
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:43:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Declaration of Independence in American
That famous phrase from the Declaration is highly dependent on one from
the philosopher John Locke, who originally said that a government should
guarantee "the pursuit of property."
The pursuit of happiness seems to me the surest way not to gain it.
Happiness comes as a by-product of the pursuit of other things or perhaps
the abandonment of pursuit completely.
Bob C. [listening now to Samuel Barber's Andante from the Violin
Concerto, opus 14. This is a selection from a wonderful Telarc
CD entitled "American Adagios." The music gathered here will mellow you
out so fast that you might well consider skipping that evening martini.)
On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, p.h.wood wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Jack Kolb wrote, apropos Carol Digels's posting of H.
> L. Mencken' remarks:
> >> Very nice, Carol. Mencken is one of my heroes. In the past year, I've
> corrected several persons who've asserted that "life, liberty, and the
> pursuit of happiness" are rights guaranteed in our Constitution.<<
>
> All very well, but how does one persuade the vast - and it seems,
> far from silent majority - that "... the *pursuit* of happiness" is not
> the same as "... the *achievement* of happiness", and indeed, one may live
> one's life without reaching the aforesaid goal?
> When instant and lasting delight is everywhere guaranteed to the purchaser
> of X, or the user of Y, or the imbiber of Z, it seems to me that the
> original, qualified promise has been badly misinterpreted, as well as
> misconstrued as part of the American Constitution.
> Peter Wood
>
>
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 18:55:53 -0400 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: music for the 4th >Bob C. [listening now to Samuel Barber's Andante from the Violin >Concerto, opus 14. This is a selection from a wonderful Telarc >CD entitled "American Adagios." The music gathered here will mellow you >out so fast that you might well consider skipping that evening martini.) ======== I suggest you switch immediately to Charles Ives. He has never sent anyone to sleep! <G> Linda Anderson
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Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 19:12:33 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: Re: Declaration of Independence in American Thanks for sending me back to the original Declaration, which is one fine document. I thought I'd learned it all once, but it was only the first part: I may never have read the rest. All of it still makes sense to me -- the part about the Indians made me a little uncomfortable, though. Brittanica says a sentence about abolishing slavery was taken out in deference to the South. Carroll Bishop (une americaine errante)
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:57:42 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 6
1836
French troops under General Thomas Bugeaud defeat Abd
al-Kader's forces by the Sikkak
River in Algeria.
1835
John Marshall, the third chief justice of the Supreme Court,
dies at age 79. While tolling in his
honor in Philadelphia two days later, the Liberty Bell cracks.
1854
The Republican Party is officially organized in Jackson,
Michigan.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:40:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Today in History - July 6 And ... happy birthday Beatrix Potter! born 1866. best phoebe Phoebe Wray zozie(at)aol.com
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:11:50 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 7
1807
Czar Alexander and Napoleon Bonaparte meet to divide Europe
between themselves
and isolate Britain.
1815
The victorious British, Prussian, and allied armies enter
Paris.
1863
Confederate General Robert E. Lee reports his Jluy 3 defeat at
Gettysburg to President Jefferson
Davis from Hagerstown, Maryland,.
Birthdays
1860
Gustav Mahler, conductor of the Vienna State Opera House and
composer of many symphonies.
1906
Leroy "Satchel" Page, baseball pitcher.
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:25:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Today in History - July 7
On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Jerry Carlson wrote:
> 1863
> Confederate General Robert E. Lee reports his Jluy 3
> defeat at Gettysburg to President Jefferson
> Davis from Hagerstown, Maryland,.
>
Almost the only thing that people know about Jefferson Davis is that he
was the president of the Confederacy. But he was also a war hero, much
decorated for his courage in the Mexican-American war--a brave man whose
bravery has been undeservedly forgotten.
Bob C.
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rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Miner bio
For anyone interested in the real-life Bill Miner, here is a fairly recent
biography. I'm always suspicious, though, when someone claims to be
telling the "true" story of an individual. It often means that the writer
is doing no more than passing on a different set of lies--usually in an
attempt to replace a much better lie.
Bob C.
Dugan, Mark, 1939-
Title
The Grey Fox : the true story of Bill Miner,
last of the old time bandits / by Mark Dugan
and John Boessenecker.
Imprint
Norman : University of Oklahoma Press,
c1992.
Description
xxiv, 260 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
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rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 14:57:42 -0400 From: "Roberts, Leonard" <lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu> Subject: RE: Today in History - July 7 From what little I have read one of Jefferson Davis' faults as President of the Confederacy was that he constantly second-guessed his generals and direct tactical operations. I have read speculation that he would have been a much better general than president. Len Roberts > On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Jerry Carlson wrote: > > > 1863 > > > Confederate General Robert E. Lee reports his Jluy 3 > > defeat at Gettysburg to President Jefferson > > Davis from Hagerstown, Maryland,. > > > > Almost the only thing that people know about Jefferson Davis is that he > was the president of the Confederacy. But he was also a war hero, much > decorated for his courage in the Mexican-American war--a brave man whose > bravery has been undeservedly forgotten. > > Bob C. > > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > > Robert L. Champ > rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu > Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > > Whatever things are pure, whatever things are > lovely, whatever things are of good report, if > there is any virtue and if there is anything > praiseworthy, meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > > rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net > _________________________________________________ > @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:21:47 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Miner bio Bob C. wrote: <<For anyone interested in the real-life Bill Miner, here is a fairly recent biography. I'm always suspicious, though, when someone claims to be telling the "true" story of an individual. It often means that the writer is doing no more than passing on a different set of lies--usually in an attempt to replace a much better lie.>> Many thanks for the information, Bob. I presume there are many older tales of Miner, but does anyone know if Miner ever wrote about his own deeds? best, Patricia
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:15:21 -0400 (EDT) From: LoracLegid(at)aol.com Subject: Philip Borsos Tribute <A HREF="http://www.coastnet.com/~cinevic/borsos99.html">VIFVF, Philip Borsos Tribute </A> http://www.coastnet.com/~cinevic/borsos99.html Here is a tribute to Philip Borsos who made the film The Grey Fox. Carol Digel
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Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 21:30:15 -0600 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: Borsos' _Grey Fox_: what sources? Thanks to Carol D. for unearthing the URL for the Borsos tribute. Is there nothing that stays hidden from you, Carol? I realized that Borsos had died young, but I had always assumed it was from a heart ailment. The tribute page explains that it was leukemia. He produced only a few feature films, _Grey Fox_ being the first. My introduction to Bill Miner was from a chapter in T.W. Paterson _Outlaws of western Canada_ (1977), tho Miner could easily have been mentioned elsewhere before this. I don't believe his end was ever established tho it seems quite likely that Miner died in captivity, and didn't escape to Europe as the movie likes to suggest. Ah! I see that the unstoppable Frank W. Anderson has written another of his Western Canada history pamphlets, using Bill Miner as his subject, not once, but twice. This information comes from a webpage about an episode of _The Canadians_, described at: http://www.heritageproject.ca/learning/lessons/cdns-tv/miner/default.htm The biblioraphy is not very extensive. I sure there would have been earlier, tho perhaps equally romantic, references to Miner. This webpage suggests that Miner was allowed by the CPR to escape from jail so that he could return $300,000 in gov't bonds. I don't remember that in the _Grey Fox_. Anderson's book shows a picture of Miner on the cover at: http://www.reliablehost.com/cascadiabooks/billminer.html and then there's: http://www.culturenet.ca/hcms/study_guide/gold1.html which is a two-page ad for a history of British Columbia thru song. I am sure some Gaslight listmember can authenticate the song alluded to here. Is it original, or was it contrived for this history project? These pages show a tiny picture of Miner's B.C. trial. Stephen D mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Zozie(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Today in History - July 1
In a message dated 7/1/99 4:06:13 PM, you wrote:
<< 1882
Susan Glapell, playwright, author of Alison's House>>
Assume you mean Susan Glaspell, whose tight little one-act Trifles is
generally in production somewhere in the English-speaking world.
Glaspell, and her mate
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