In this issue:
Today in History -- Dec 12
RE: OT_: The 1999 _MP_: A Must See for Janeites (long)
RE: Today in History -- Dec 12
Re: He's BAACCKKK
Re: He's BAACCKKK
Today in History -- Dec 13
Wells?
A non-literary(sort of)query
RE: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Pirates
Re: Today in History -- Dec 13
Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Today in History -- Dec 14
Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Today in History -- Dec 13
RE: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Re: Today in History -- Dec 13
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
RE: Wells?
Chat: British history Druids
Re: Chat: British history Druids
Re: A non-literary(sort of)query
Today in History -- Dec 15
Re: Chat: British history Druids
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 00:27:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Today in History -- Dec 12
Interesting things that happened December 12th:
Birthdays on this date:
In 1805 Henry Wells, founded American Express Co. and Wells Fargo and
Company
In 1821 Gustave Flaubert (in France), novelist (Madame Bovary)
In 1852 Henri Becquerel, discoverer of radioactivity (Nobel 1903)
In 1863 Edvard Munch, Norwegian painter and print maker (The Scream)
In 1915 Frank Sinatra, singer, "Old Blue Eyes", actor (Ocean's 11,
Manchurian Candidate)
In 1918 Joe Williams, jazz singer
Events worth noting:
In 1787 Pennsylvania becomes the second state.
In 1871 Jules Janssen discovers dark lines in solar corona spectrum.
In 1899 George F. Grant patents golf tee.
In 1901 Marconi receives the first trans-Atlantic radio signal from England
to Newfoundland.
In 1921 Henrietta Leavitt, cepheid period-luminosity relation discover,
dies.
In 1925 Arthur Heinman coins the term "motel," opens one in San Luis Obispo.
[Now, what was it that Henrietta Leavitt did?]
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:26:41 -0600 From: Andy Duncan <dunca012(at)bama.ua.edu> Subject: RE: OT_: The 1999 _MP_: A Must See for Janeites (long) >===== Original Message From Ellen Moody ===== >I also didn't catch who wrote the >screenplay. The screenplay is also by the director, Patricia Rozema. I'm glad to read a positive review; the others I've seen have been quite grumpy. -- Andy Andy Duncan Department of English Box 870244 103 Morgan Hall University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 andrew.duncan(at)ua.edu www.angelfire.com/al/andyduncan
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 13:07:12 -0600 From: Andy Duncan <dunca012(at)bama.ua.edu> Subject: RE: Today in History -- Dec 12 >===== Original Message From Robert Champ ===== >[Now, what was it that Henrietta Leavitt did?] It was Leavitt who realized that the brightness of certain stars known as Cepheid variables is periodic over time. "By measuring the variation period one can calculate the brightness of these stars and thus determine their distance. . . This turns out to be the key to unlocking the distances to galaxies outside the Milky Way . . . Leavitt found that the Magellanic clouds were well outside our own galaxy, at approximately a distance corresponding to twice the diameter of our galaxy." Source: Alexander Hellemans and Bryan Bunch, _The Timetables of Science_ (New York: Simon, 1988; New York: Touchstone-Simon, 1991). Andy Duncan Department of English Box 870244 103 Morgan Hall University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 andrew.duncan(at)ua.edu www.angelfire.com/al/andyduncan
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:26:55 -0600 From: puddlejumpers(at)birch.net (Michael Keating) Subject: Re: He's BAACCKKK Yes, mam, Hey, where the heck is that web page. I tried it a few times before I came back and it isn't there. What's the deal, ya to lazzzzy or to broke? - -Gildy
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:24:15 -0600 From: puddlejumpers(at)birch.net (Michael Keating) Subject: Re: He's BAACCKKK Sorry Linda baby, I sold the barbeque company. I now have a national breast cancer research foundation. want some?
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> Subject: Today in History -- Dec 13 Interesting things that happened December 13rd: Birthdays on this date: In 1797 Heinrich Heine (in Germany), poet In 1818 Mary Todd Lincoln, first lady In 1835 Phillips Brooks, clergyman, composer (O Little Town of Bethlehem) In 1871 Russell Porter In 1903 Carlos Montoya, guitarist In 1913 Archie Moore, light-heavyweight boxing champion In 1915 Ross Macdonald, detective novelist In 1920 George Schultz, U.S. Secretary of State Events worth noting: In 1862 Battle of Fredericksburg, Virginia. South beats North. In 1903 Italo Marcioni patents the ice cream cone ... in New Jersey. In 1918 Wilson becomes first to make a foreign visit while President. In 1920 Interferometer used to measure first stellar diameter (Betelgeuse). In 1928 George Gershwin's "An American In Paris" premieres.
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:47:20 -0600
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Wells?
Are we supposedly discussing "Chronic Argonauts"?
James
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:09:50 -0600 From: Ann Hilgeman <eahilg(at)seark.net> Subject: A non-literary(sort of)query A friend is searching for a book that contains information on medical practices of the American Civil War period. She's searched the web to no avail, asked medical professionals, and still can't find out information like--did they use ether or chloroform. Ann Hilgeman
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 05:26:43 +1100
From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au>
Subject: RE: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Good Morning
(I can't believe that I am still awake at 5:30am)...
I have a project that I am working on and would like some assistance if
anyone can. I am searching for events - particulaly those of a
mysterious/occult nature, taking place in any state of Australia or in New
Zealand - from January 1, 1890-December 31, 1900.
I am specifically interested in accounts relating to real-life mysteries
(alleged or not).
Thanks
Craig Walker
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:23:48 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Pirates This is probably too late, however, I discovered a delightful book called _Howard Pyle's Book of Pirates_ (1921) that includes tales of "fiction, fact & fancy." Included in the volume are several entertaining stories: Buccaneers and Marooners of the Spanish Main The Ghost of Captain Brand With the Buccaneers Tom Chist and the Treasure Box Jack Ballister's Fortunes Blueskin, the Pirate Captain Scarfield along with some lovely illustrations by Pyle. Very nice! best Patricia
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:00:39 -0600 From: puddlejumpers(at)birch.net (Michael Keating) Subject: Re: Today in History -- Dec 13 Yo, Bubba, In all this "On this day in history" stuff, which I love, have you EVER run across a day when not a bloody thing happened. I mean, out here in the middle of the prairie of Kansas there are entire decades when nothing happens. People will wait aronud on the front porch for years just filled with antisapation that maybe a bird might fly over. Yet you folks back east are just filled with events. I was happy to hear that Rossie Mac was born on this day, I always liked him. I guess he's to young for gassers to read, but if they live long enough they might be able to read him. At any rate, keep up the good work. One of my daughters just changed her major from music education to history education. I think she only did it so she could call up her old man and ask him history questions at two in the morning. Could be why I don't allow a phone in the bedroom. Historically yours is spelling, - -Gildy
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:40:09 -0500 From: Kay Douglas <gwshark(at)erols.com> Subject: Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query >I have a project that I am working on and would like some assistance if >anyone can. I am searching for events - particulaly those of a >mysterious/occult nature, taking place in any state of Australia or in New >Zealand - from January 1, 1890-December 31, 1900. > >I am specifically interested in accounts relating to real-life mysteries >(alleged or not). > What about "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and the disappearance of those schoolgirls in the outback? I'm not entirely sure if that was real-life, but I seem to recall that that Peter Weir's film was supposedly based on real events that took place around the turn of the century. Kay Douglas
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:32:05 -0700 From: Tracy Cooper-Posey <tracy.cp(at)home.com> Subject: Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query At 11:40 PM 12/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >What about "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and the disappearance of those >schoolgirls in the outback? I'm not entirely sure if that was real-life, >but I seem to recall that that Peter Weir's film was supposedly based on >real events that took place around the turn of the century. Yes, it was based on a true story -- and I believe the movie doesn't depart too far from the actual events, although I can't verify that. Tracy (expat Aussie) Tracy Cooper-Posey * Edmonton, Alberta * mailto:tracy(at)sashaproductions.com EYES OF A STRANGER -- No.7 on the ebook romance bestseller list!! CHRONICLES OF THE LOST YEARS -- A Sherlock Holmes Mystery DARE TO RETURN, May 2000, Hard Shell Word Factory For outlines and excerpts: http://www.sashaproductions.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A gift for you for Christmas: http://www.sashaproductions.com/dangerous.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Want to write romance novels? http://www.sashaproductions.com/course.html Free articles on writing http://www.sashaproductions.com/Articles.html Contests & special draws: http://www.sashaproductions.com/contests.html Free mailing list: http://www.sashaproductions.com/maillist.html
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:48:33 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query >At 11:40 PM 12/13/99 -0500, you wrote: >>What about "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and the disappearance of those >>schoolgirls in the outback? I'm not entirely sure if that was real-life > >Yes, it was based on a true story -- and I believe the movie doesn't >depart too far from the actual events, although I can't verify that. Actually, it is NOT based on a true story. All the new book versions of this do explain that it was a fiction, the author made it up, but when the book was released early in this century many people thought it was true and the myth is what is believed still. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:54:32 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> Subject: Today in History -- Dec 14 Interesting things that happened December 14th: Birthdays on this date: In 1895 George VI, king of England (1936-52) In 1896 James H. Doolittle, former Air Force general In 1897 Margaret Chase Smith, Maine Senator (R) In 1909 Edward L. Tatum, American molecular geneticist (Nobel 1958) In 1914 Morey Amsterdam, actor (Dick Van Dyke Show) In 1922 Charley Trippi, NFL halfback (Chicago Cardinals) Events worth noting: In 1799 George Washington died at Mt Vernon, Va. In 1819 Alabama becomes the 22nd state in the Union. In 1911 South Pole first reached by Roald Amundsen.
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 22:56:17 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Picnic at Hanging rock The story takes place on Valentine's day 1900. Written by Joan Lindsay, it is unavailable in the U.S. but you can order it from AmazonUK. There is a missing chapter that 'solved' the mystery but I have never read this. It was included after the author's death. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:04:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Today in History -- Dec 13
Actually, Gildy, as all good Gaslighters know, history stopped happening
in 1914 or thereabouts. All we've had since is news, and even that is
sliding into entertainment. Out there in the middle of the prairie in
Kansas, you're not missing a thing.
Remember that the expression "May you live in interesting times" was spoke
as a curse.
Glad to hear about your daughter's interest in history. But I'd be
ambivalent about her dropping music for history.
Bob C.
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Michael Keating wrote:
> Yo, Bubba,
>
> In all this "On this day in history" stuff, which I love, have you EVER run
> across a day when not a bloody thing happened. I mean, out here in the
> middle of the prairie of Kansas there are entire decades when nothing
> happens. People will wait aronud on the front porch for years just filled
> with antisapation that maybe a bird might fly over. Yet you folks back
> east are just filled with events. I was happy to hear that Rossie Mac was
> born on this day, I always liked him. I guess he's to young for gassers to
> read, but if they live long enough they might be able to read him.
>
> At any rate, keep up the good work. One of my daughters just changed her
> major from music education to history education. I think she only did it
> so she could call up her old man and ask him history questions at two in
> the morning. Could be why I don't allow a phone in the bedroom.
>
> Historically yours is spelling,
>
> -Gildy
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:47:34 +1100
From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au>
Subject: RE: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
Hi Kay et al,
Yes I have Picnic at Hanging Rock - looking for others perhaps not so well
know (to me ;))
Thanks for that
Craig
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and you get an Elephant ...that
never....erm....something"
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
> [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Kay Douglas
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 1999 15:40
> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
> Subject: Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query
>
>
> >I have a project that I am working on and would like some
> assistance if
> >anyone can. I am searching for events - particulaly those of a
> >mysterious/occult nature, taking place in any state of
> Australia or in New
> >Zealand - from January 1, 1890-December 31, 1900.
> >
> >I am specifically interested in accounts relating to
> real-life mysteries
> >(alleged or not).
> >
>
> What about "Picnic at Hanging Rock" and the disappearance of those
> schoolgirls in the outback? I'm not entirely sure if that
> was real-life,
> but I seem to recall that that Peter Weir's film was
> supposedly based on
> real events that took place around the turn of the century.
>
> Kay Douglas
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:59:35 -0900 From: Robert Raven <rraven(at)alaska.net> Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock Deborah McMillion Nering wrote: > > The story takes place on Valentine's day 1900. Written by Joan > Lindsay, it is unavailable in the U.S. but you can order it from > AmazonUK. There is a missing chapter that 'solved' the mystery but I > have never read this. It was included after the author's death. > > Deborah > > Deborah McMillion > deborah(at)gloaming.com > http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html The movie made some years ago is cracking good, too. Eerie, atmospheric, unresolved, and disturbing. Bob Raven
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:49:40 -0600
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
At 02:59 AM 12/14/99 -0900, Bob Raven wrote:
>
>
>The movie made some years ago is cracking good, too. Eerie,
>atmospheric, unresolved, and disturbing.
>
>Bob Raven
>
Excellent movie, good book. One of my favorite horror flicks,
along with the somewhat similarly themed _The Wicker Man_.
James
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:03:56 -0600 From: Brian McMillan <brianbks(at)netins.net> Subject: Re: A non-fiction (perhaps) query Craig, Do you have Basedow's THE AUSTRALIAN ABORIGINAL? Several copies are available on Bookfinder.com. A second hand source I have excerpts a section on "bone pointing". Brian - -----Original Message----- From: Craig Walker <genre(at)tig.com.au> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA> Date: Monday, December 13, 1999 12:27 PM Subject: RE: A non-fiction (perhaps) query >Good Morning > >(I can't believe that I am still awake at 5:30am)... > >I have a project that I am working on and would like some assistance if >anyone can. I am searching for events - particulaly those of a >mysterious/occult nature, taking place in any state of Australia or in New >Zealand - from January 1, 1890-December 31, 1900. > >I am specifically interested in accounts relating to real-life mysteries >(alleged or not). > >Thanks > >Craig Walker > >+---------------------------------------+ > Craig Walker > Genre Manipulations - Reality Engineers > > Ph: Intl +61 2 9550-0815 > Fx: Intl +61 2 9564-5689 > Mb: Intl +61 419 22-0013 > ICQ: 1053193 > genre(at)tig.com.au > > "Cross a Goldfish with an Elephant > and you get an Elephant ...that > never....erm....something" >+---------------------------------------+
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:56:08 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: Re: Today in History -- Dec 13 Out there in the middle of the prairie in >Kansas, you're not missing a thing. Hmmm, wasn't it in Kansas recently that some schools banned the teaching of Evolution, in favor of Creationism? Is this history, or is it merely news? There's nothing new about censorship or religious thinking infiltrating the schools, but that doesn't mean it's not noteworthy when it happens. I suppose they don't allow students to read Harry Potter stories either... Athan, reading Sherlock Holmes at the moment ayc(at)uiuc.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:41:11 -0900 From: Robert Raven <rraven(at)alaska.net> Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock James, Tell me about The Wicker Man; I'm not familiar with it. Is it something gaslighters would like? Bob R
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 10:38:23 -0600 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock Robert Raven asked if The Wicker Man would be good for Gassers. Well, it's a good movie, but it's totally out of our period. There are two versions around, one shorter, one longer. I prefer the longer version, which gives you more perspective about Sargeant Howie, who is sent to Summerisle to investigate the disappearance of a young Island girl. It's a powerful and engaging film, with one of Christopher Lee's best performances (and a wonderful reading from Whitman). In fact, it's SO powerful that some innocent viewers have not realized that the "thanks to Lord Summerisle" is a joke, and that there IS no Summerisle. A lot of genuine ancient folk practices are shown in the film, as well as one reconstructed from Caesar's Gallic Commentaries (see the film's title to know which). So, if you can find it, especially the longer version (which has more exposition and better music), try it. But don't expect it to be Gaslight in period or theme. Kiwi
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:24:23 -0600
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
At 10:38 AM 12/14/99 -0600, Kiwi wrote:
>Robert Raven asked if The Wicker Man would be
>good for Gassers. Well, it's a good movie, but
>it's totally out of our period.
Kiwi is right, it is completely wrong period but, like I say, I
suspect a lot of the Gaslight folks would probably go for it.
James
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:18:56 -0600
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock
At 11:41 AM 12/14/99 -0900, you wrote:
>James,
>
>Tell me about The Wicker Man; I'm not familiar with it. Is it something
>gaslighters would like?
>
>Bob R
>
>
Right up the ol' Gaslight alley. Very strange story (script by
Anthony Shaffer) about a repressed, Protestant British detective sent to an
island in the Hebrides to find a missing girl. Unfortunately, said island
appears to be slipping back into ancient fertility practices a la Fraser's
_Golden Bough_ . As in _Picnic At Hanging Rock_, the viewer feels caught
in an almost suffocating atmosphere of rather cloying sexuality. Quite
disturbing film - with horribly downbeat ending - which my description
fails to do justice to.
James
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:55:13 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: Re: Picnic at Hanging rock A lot of genuine ancient >folk practices are shown in the film, as well >as one reconstructed from Caesar's Gallic Commentaries (see the film's >title to know >which). > I wondered if the Druids really did save up their prisoners and burn 'em in a wicker construction. I've read it in so many stories, etc. etc., but did they really? Not everything in Caesar's Gallic commentaries is accurate, according to one book I've got on the Druids. Athan ayc(at)uiuc.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:57:03 -0600 From: Andy Duncan <dunca012(at)bama.ua.edu> Subject: RE: Wells? >===== Original Message From James Rogers ===== >Are we supposedly discussing "Chronic Argonauts"? I've been wondering about this myself, but I've only been on the list a couple of weeks, and I assumed I'd figure out the procedure eventually. How do the scheduled book/story discussions work? -- Andy Andy Duncan Department of English Box 870244 103 Morgan Hall University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL 35487 andrew.duncan(at)ua.edu www.angelfire.com/al/andyduncan
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:05:46 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Chat: British history Druids >I wondered if the Druids really did save up their prisoners and burn 'em in >a wicker construction. From what I've read, too, there is little historicity for this allegation except the stories the Romans told. The old enemies writing about you thing is not to be trusted "they eat their dead and their women give birth to snakes" routine. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 18:02:25 -0700 (MST) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Chat: British history Druids Stuart Pigott's "The Druids" (Penguin) is fairly reliable, but by now is probably somewhat oudated; unfortunately the Druids (and the Celts) were a pre-literate culture, so we don't seem likely to come across any more solid information on what they believed, or how they practised their beliefs. Robert Graves's "The White Goddess" is very interesting reading. I keep an eye on <sci.archaeology> n/g, but there hasn't been any major findings in the last four years I've seen mentioned. Peter Wood (from the *original* Isle of Mona, not the one which Suetonius described) On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Deborah McMillion Nering wrotein reply to: >>I wondered if the Druids really did save up their prisoners and burn 'em in a wicker construction.<< > From what I've read, too, there is little historicity for this > allegation except the stories the Romans told. The old enemies > writing about you thing is not to be trusted "they eat their dead and > their women give birth to snakes" routine.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:02:49 -0500 From: John Barclay <Rostov(at)sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: A non-literary(sort of)query Ann Hilgeman wrote: > A friend is searching for a book that contains information on medical > practices of the American Civil War period. She's searched the web to no > avail, asked medical professionals, and still can't find out information > like--did they use ether or chloroform. > American Civil war medicine was very crude. As the idea of germs was not known sergons often infected thier patients as they were treating them. Most drugs were unknown and certinly in short supply, wounds were usually treated by amputation and cauterising. For fuller accounts I resommend "the Blue and the Grey" a famous and interesting read about the whole of the war from the letters, diaries and writings of the participants. Hope this helps. > > Ann Hilgeman
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:14:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Today in History -- Dec 15
Interesting things that happened December 15th:
Birthdays on this date:
In 1832 Alexandre-Gustave Eiffel, built a tower in Paris
In 1859 Ludwik Zamenhof, inventor of Esperanto
In 1861 Charles Edgar Duryea, with his brother, invented first auto to be
built and operated in US
In 1892 J. Paul Getty, business tycoon
(Hey, Patricia, any celebrations at the Museum?)
Events worth noting:
+ U.S. Bill of Rights Day
In 1791 Bill of Rights ratified when Virginia gave its approval.
In 1836 Patent Office burns in Washington, DC.
In 1859 G.R. Kirchoff describes chemical composition of sun.
In 1877 Patent granted to Thomas Edison for the phonograph.
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:50:24 -0600
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Chat: British history Druids
>I wondered if the Druids really did save up their prisoners and burn 'em in
>a wicker construction. I've read it in so many stories, etc. etc., but did
>they really? Not everything in Caesar's Gallic commentaries is accurate,
>according to one book I've got on the Druids.
The Peter Ellis book _The Druids_ was, in my opinion, quite a poor book.
Could this be the volume you are referring to? It telegraphed it's
intention early on to discount pretty much all of the Greek and Roman
sources as propaganda. It also took some surprisingly personal shots at
Nora Chadwick, a perhaps more mainstream scholar, based on what he imagines
to be her uncritical adultion of classical civilization. In many spots,
Ellis was very assertive based upon what seemed extremely sketchy evidence.
The book struck me an instance of the author starting out with a sort of
"pro-celtic" thesis and then shaping his sources for support, rather than
letting the primary material determine his judgment. I believe that Ellis
has plenty of fans but, based on this book, I would bring a healthy
skepticism to his work. I am quite a fan of celtic myth and history myself,
but I like to feel the author is "playing fair".
The practice of burning "Midsummer giants" provided a fascinating
passage in Frazer....who has the virtue of being in our period. Although he
cannot bear out the sacrificial references in Caesar and Strabo, he is
clearly of the opinion that the ritual was a real one. The most interesting
aspect, I thought, was that this custom survived very, very far into
historical times, minus the human victims. Though a lot of Frazer has been
nibbled to death by later scholars his argument here seemed pretty cogent
to me.
James
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:02:22 -0700
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: <FWD> London Street Signs
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Dear folks,
just at the time that those in the know are warning us about using the WWW
to make purchases (Christmas is the time for fly-by-night salespeople), I find
this message. Without being able to recommend it, I am passing it along in case
it is of interest.
Stephen
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Michael Lawrence <Sign(at)post19.fsnet.co.uk> on 12/12/99 01:31:24 PM
To: Gaslight-Safe(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
cc: (bcc: Stephen Davies/Academic/MRC)
Subject: London Street Signs
Dear Stephen Davies and Diana Patterson:
I've just set up a website to sell full-size reproduction London street signs,
which my experience as an antiques dealer tells me should appeal to people who
are fond of London but don't live there. In my very frustrating search for the
interested parties that I'm convinced are out there I've just come across
Gaslight. Interesting idea - and I love the logo! I also write books for
children and have published adaptations of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde and A Christmas
Carol, both of which fit in fairly well with your Gaslight image. One of my
London signs is Baker Street, which should certainly appeal to Sherlock Holmes
aficionados. I wonder if there's any way you can help me find the enthusiasts I
hope to reach? Naturally, if there's anything I can do in return I'll be glad
to.
Over to you!
Michael Lawrence
My website can be found at http://www.post19.fsnet.co.uk
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