In this issue:
_Far From the Madding Crowd_
Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_
Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_
Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_
Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_
TR and Hemingway
Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Today in History - July 27
The Hunley
Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Susan Glaspell
Today in History - July 28
Osler tale
Today in History - July 29
Today in History - July 30
Re: Today in History - July 30
Re: Osler tale
Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day
Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day
Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day
Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: _Far From the Madding Crowd_
Just wondering if anyone on the list caught tonight's MPT production of
_Far From the Madding Crowd_ (part one). A very nice production so far.
Bob C.
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:23:20 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_ >Just wondering if anyone on the list caught tonight's MPT production of >_Far From the Madding Crowd_ (part one). A very nice production so far. Watched it when it first aired this year. I felt that it was fairly true to the story but it added nothing that the original movie hadn't done better. I rewatched the Julie Christie/Alan Bates/Terrance Stamp/Albert Finney version and was far more impressed, frightened, overwhelmed. The scenery, the power of Christie's Bathsheba, Alan Bates--most impressive, the death scene with Fanny was far more horrifying. I don't know, the new version left me flat with the comparison. The old version hit me the same way the book did, with power. I was hoping the new version would add more but...it didn't. While I didn't find anything particularly wrong with it I would recommend the original movie (when was that, something like 1970?) first. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:59:07 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_ Deborah McM-N. wrote: <<I was hoping the new version would add more but...it didn't. While I didn't find anything particularly wrong with it I would recommend the original movie (when was that, something like 1970?) first.>> I attempted to watch the 1967 film version again not long ago but found it difficult to get through with all the 60s makeup and hair styles. Christie was very good in the role, however, the film, unfortunately, is very dated in look and feel. All in all, I prefer the newer version. the devil's advocate, Patricia <g>
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:23:20 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_ >the film, unfortunately, is very dated in look and feel. All in >all, I prefer the newer version. I guess growing up with all those 1950 films with Egyptians in bright red lips and Nike missile bras, Medieval dresses with full skirts and even better, the 1860's with big bouffant hairdo's from Hammer films I got used to the dated look and stopped thinking about it! I never even thought about it, Patricia! Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:31:53 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: _Far From the Madding Crowd_ Deborah McM-N. wrote: <<I guess growing up with all those 1950 films with Egyptians in bright red lips and Nike missile bras, Medieval dresses with full skirts and even better, the 1860's with big bouffant hairdo's from Hammer films I got used to the dated look and stopped thinking about it! I never even thought about it, Patricia!>> <g> I think it was the frosted pinkish-white lipstick that did it for me. I could not get past the 60s Twiggy look of this film. Oh, well. It is still a very good version! Patricia
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Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:22:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: TR and Hemingway
Over the weekend, C-SPAN presented several programs on Ernest Hemingway,
whose centennial year this is. On one program Frederick Voss, of the
National Portrait Gallery and author of a book entitled _Picturing
Hemingway_, commented that Hemingway's _modus vivendi_--especially his
love of hunting, travelling, exploring, and soldiering--might have owed a
great deal to the example of Theodore Roosevelt, who was often held up as
a model for young lads at the turn of the century. I had never thought of
this connection, but undoubtedly Hemingway did imbibe some of the TR
worship and found in Roosevelt something of a kindred soul--not only
because TR was an outdoorsman and sportsman but also a well-read man
respected author.
Bob C.
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
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lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:51:54 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Charles King wrote:
>There is in one of the movies . . . The one about the great
>diamond set on the train, where Colonel Moran pretends to be Duncan Bleek a
>friend of Watson
Would that be _Terror By NIght_? I'm afraid I've never tracked (no pun
intended) that one well enough to catch Lestrade's name.
Here's another thought: Lestrade is described in _A Study in Scarlet_ as "a
little sallow, rat-faced fellow". "The Cardboard Box", in which he signs the
note "G. Lestrade", Watson reports him to be "as wiry, as dapper, and as
ferret-like as ever"- clearly the same man. But it seems to me elsewhere in
the Canon he's described as a big man. Perhaps the latter is Trow's "Sholto
Joseph Lestrade", while the former is "George" or "Gerald" (commentaries I've
read favor one of these two; my support or otherwise for the latter being
attached to him frankly varies with portrayal either in a given story or on the
screen. &8-{) )
Jerry Carlson (three guesses what the "g" in my address stands for)
gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
P.S. - This theory brings to mind another of mine, that the dimwitted 1940's
Watson portrayed by Nigel Bruce was the _son_ of the more normally intelligent
original Watson, and only his father's influence had gotten him into medical
school, but Holmes attributing "A Scandal in Bohemia" to him in "Dressed To
Kill" counteracts that idea.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:56:31 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 27
1861
General George B. McClellen replaces Irwin McDowell with as
commander of the Army
of the Potomac.
1914
British troops invade Dublin, Ireland to disarm Irish rebels.
Birthdays
1852
George Foster Peabody, philanthropist, namesake of the Peabody
Award for
excellence in broadcasting
1906
Leo "The Lip" Durocher, baseball player and manager of the
Borklyn Dodgers
and Chicago Cubs.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:25:11 -0700
From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com>
Subject: The Hunley
If you are interested in more information on The Hunley, the men who
ran her and the project now to raise the now-located submarine and
preserve her see:
http://www.hunley.org/
Finally got a chance to view my tape as well and became interested by
the notation at the end that the Hunley had been located in 1995 as
to what was being done....
Deborah
Deborah McMillion
deborah(at)gloaming.com
http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:31:52 -0500
From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU
Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Two Lestrades! How novel!
Thanks for the information, Jerry!
Richard King
rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> on 07/27/99 09:51:54 AM
Please respond to gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
cc: (bcc: Richard L King/VUMAIL)
Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Charles King wrote:
>There is in one of the movies . . . The one about the great
>diamond set on the train, where Colonel Moran pretends to be Duncan Bleek a
>friend of Watson
Would that be _Terror By NIght_? I'm afraid I've never tracked (no pun
intended) that one well enough to catch Lestrade's name.
Here's another thought: Lestrade is described in _A Study in Scarlet_ as "a
little sallow, rat-faced fellow". "The Cardboard Box", in which he signs the
note "G. Lestrade", Watson reports him to be "as wiry, as dapper, and as
ferret-like as ever"- clearly the same man. But it seems to me elsewhere in the
Canon he's described as a big man. Perhaps the latter is Trow's "Sholto Joseph
Lestrade", while the former is "George" or "Gerald" (commentaries I've read
favor one of these two; my support or otherwise for the latter being attached to
him frankly varies with portrayal either in a given story or on the screen.
&8-{) )
Jerry Carlson (three guesses what the "g" in my address stands for)
gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
P.S. - This theory brings to mind another of mine, that the dimwitted 1940's
Watson portrayed by Nigel Bruce was the _son_ of the more normally intelligent
original Watson, and only his father's influence had gotten him into medical
school, but Holmes attributing "A Scandal in Bohemia" to him in "Dressed To
Kill" counteracts that idea.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: charles king <lit57(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
Folks,
Is this what Holmes would call an improbable truth? Still, a possibility . .
. though, author's error can't be rules out. As an author myself, who makes
the occasional errror I find the former most likely still. Though, I must
agree the idea of using Lestrade as a PoV character is intriguing, and I
wish the author well and will look for the series to read.
C. King
>From: rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU
>Reply-To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
>To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
>Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:31:52 -0500
>
>
>
>Two Lestrades! How novel!
>
>Thanks for the information, Jerry!
>
>Richard King
>rking(at)indian.vinu.edu
>
>
>Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> on 07/27/99 09:51:54 AM
>Please respond to gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
>
>
>
>To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
>cc: (bcc: Richard L King/VUMAIL)
>
>Subject: Re: Lestrade's Real Name
>
>
>
>
>Charles King wrote:
>
> >There is in one of the movies . . . The one about the great
> >diamond set on the train, where Colonel Moran pretends to be Duncan Bleek
>a
> >friend of Watson
>
>Would that be _Terror By NIght_? I'm afraid I've never tracked (no pun
>intended) that one well enough to catch Lestrade's name.
>
>Here's another thought: Lestrade is described in _A Study in Scarlet_ as "a
>little sallow, rat-faced fellow". "The Cardboard Box", in which he signs
>the
>note "G. Lestrade", Watson reports him to be "as wiry, as dapper, and as
>ferret-like as ever"- clearly the same man. But it seems to me elsewhere
>in the
>Canon he's described as a big man. Perhaps the latter is Trow's "Sholto
>Joseph
>Lestrade", while the former is "George" or "Gerald" (commentaries I've read
>favor one of these two; my support or otherwise for the latter being
>attached to
>him frankly varies with portrayal either in a given story or on the screen.
>&8-{) )
>
>Jerry Carlson (three guesses what the "g" in my address stands for)
>gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
>
>P.S. - This theory brings to mind another of mine, that the dimwitted
>1940's
>Watson portrayed by Nigel Bruce was the _son_ of the more normally
>intelligent
>original Watson, and only his father's influence had gotten him into
>medical
>school, but Holmes attributing "A Scandal in Bohemia" to him in "Dressed To
>Kill" counteracts that idea.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:54:34 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: Chris Willis <c.willis(at)bbk.ac.uk> Subject: Susan Glaspell Hi! Susan Glaspell's "Fidelity" has just been republished in the UK by Persephone Books - I don't know if they're planning to repirnt any more of her work. All the best Chris
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:16:55 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 28
1808
Sultan Mustapha of the Ottoman Empire is deposed. His cousin
Mahmud II ascends to
the throne.
1835
Giuseppe Maria Fleschi attempts to assasinate King
Louis-Phillipe of France by rigging 25
guns together and firing them all with the pull of a single
trigger. The "Citizen King" survives.
1863
Confederate John Mosby begins to harry General Meade's Army of
the Potomac in
Virginia's Shenandoah Valley as it pursues General Robert E.
Lee retreat from Gettysburg.
1864
Battle of Ezra Church, Ga.
1868
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which guarantees
citizenship to all those
born or naturalized in the United States, is adopted. The
amendment was aimed
primarily at assuring citizenship to Africa-American freed
from slavery by the Civil
War.
1898
Spain, through the offices of the French embassy in
Washington, D.C., requests peace
terms in its war with the United States.
1914
Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia, beginning World War I.
1920
Revolutionary and bandit Pancho Villa surrenders to the
Mexican government.
Birthdays
1866
Beatrix Potter, author of children's stories who wrote The
Tale of Peter Rabbit.
[An amusing article in the _British Medical Journal_ some
years back diagnosed
Squirrel Nutkin with Tourette Syndrome ("the case of S.N., a
male red squirrel of
indeterminate age, as descirbed by Potter...")]
1901
Harry Bridges, leader of the West Coast Longshoremen's Union.
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:14:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Osler tale
The following has the scent of apocrypha about it, but it is so
entertaining, if a trifle sick-making, that I had to share it.
Bob C.
A small bottle containing urine sat upon the desk of Sir
William Osler, the eminent professor of medicine at
Oxford University. Sitting before him was a class full
of young, wide-eyed medical students, listening to his
lecture on the importance of observing details.
To emphasize his point, Sir William announced: "This bottle
contains a sample for analysis. It's often possible by
tasting it to determine the disease from which the
patient suffers."
He then dipped a finger into the fluid and brought it into
his mouth. He continued speaking: "Now I am going to pass
the bottle around. Each of you please do exactly as I did.
Perhaps we can learn the importance of this technique and
diagnose the case."
The bottle made it's way from row to row, each student gingerly
poking his finger in and bravely sampling the contents with a
frown.
Sir William then retrieved the bottle and startled his students
by saying: "Gentlemen, now you will understand what I mean
when I speak about details. Had you been observant, you would
have seen that I put my INDEX FINGER in the bottle but my
MIDDLE FINGER into my mouth!"
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:02:29 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 29
1830
Liberals led by the Marquis of Lafayette seize Paris in
opposition to the king's
restrictions on citizens' rights.
1848
An Irish rebellion against British rule is quelled in a
cabbage patch in Tipperary.
1858
Japan signs a treaty of commerce and friendship with the
United States.
1862
Union guerrillas rout Confederate troops at Moore's Mill,
Missouri.
1875
Peasants in Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Balkans rebel
against the Ottoman Empire.
1915
U.S. Marines land at Port-au-Prince, Haiti to defend American
interests.
Birthdays
1805
Alexis de Tocqueville, French historian, author of _Democracy
in America_
1877
Charles William Beebe, naturalist who explored the depths of
the ocean in a bathysphere
1883
Benito Mussolini, Fascist dictator of Italy from 1922-1944
1905
Dag Hammerarskjold, Swedish Secretary-General of the United
Nations, winner of the
Nobel Peace Prize
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:01:13 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - July 30
1864
Union troops from the coal country of western Pennsylvania
explode a mine underneath
the Confederate trenches outside Petersburg, Va. The
unsuccessful attack which followed
is known as the Battle of the Crater.
1919
Federal troops are called out to quell Chicago race riots.
Birthdays
1818
Emily Bronte, author of Wuthering Heights
1863
Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company and developer of
the Model T
[Who might have called this message, "Today in Bunk" &8-{) ]
1889
Casey Stengel, New York Yankees manager who led his team to 10
World Series
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Today in History - July 30
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Jerry Carlson wrote:
>
> Birthdays
> 1818
> Emily Bronte, author of Wuthering Heights
> 1863
> Henry Ford, founder of the Ford Motor Company and developer
of the Model T
> [Who might have called this message, "Today in Bunk" &8-{) ]
> 1889
> Casey Stengel, New York Yankees manager who led his team to
10 World Series
I can well imagine that this is the first time in history that these names
have appeared in such close proximity. Who would have thought _they_
would share birthdays? (In his own way, though, Casey was something
of a poet.)
Bob C.
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:37:45 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Osler tale Bob, many thanks for the entertaining Osler tale! Apocrypha or not, the tale certainly makes a case for observing details. best, Patricia
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
Here's another of those apocryphal stories I keep running across. This
one was sent to me by my sister (the person who takes all the pictures of
merchandise you see in Ace Hardware catalogs!)
NATIONAL FRIENDSHIP WEEK
His name was Fleming, and he was a poor Scottish farmer.
One day, while trying to make a living for his family, he heard a cry for
help coming from a nearby bog. He dropped his tools and ran to the bog.
There, mired to his waist in black muck, was a terrified boy, screaming
and struggling to free himself.
Farmer Fleming saved the lad from what could have been a slow and
terrifying death.
The next day, a fancy carriage pulled up to the Scotsman's sparse
surroundings. An elegantly dressed nobleman stepped out and introduced
himself as the father of the boy Farmer Fleming had saved.
"I want to repay you," said the nobleman. "You saved my son's life."
"No, I can't accept payment for what I did," the Scottish farmer replied,
waving off the offer.
At that moment, the farmer's own son came to the door of the family
hovel.
"Is that your son?" the nobleman asked.
"Yes," the farmer replied proudly.
"I'll make you a deal. Let me take him and give him a good education.
If the lad is anything like his father, he'll grow to a man you can be
proud of."
And that he did.
In time, Farmer Fleming's son graduated from St.Mary's Hospital Medical
School in London, and went on to become known throughout the world as the
noted Sir Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of penicillin.
Years afterward, the nobleman's son was stricken with pneumonia. What
saved him? penicillin.
The name of the nobleman? Lord Randolph Churchill.
His son's name? Sir Winston Churchill.
Bob C.
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:21:01 -0400 From: Kay Douglas <gwshark(at)erols.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd) Bob wrote: >Here's another of those apocryphal stories I keep running across. This >one was sent to me by my sister (the person who takes all the pictures of >merchandise you see in Ace Hardware catalogs!) Hate to be a curmudgeon, but this story about Fleming and Churchill sounded too good to be true, so I did a bit of digging and the more I dug the more convinced I became that it was a myth. (It was repeated verbatim at many, many websites, but never documented, which made me suspicious.) The facts of Fleming's education given at biographical sites devoted to him also didn't jive. Then I found the story at an Urban Legends site. Alas, like so many stories with heartwarming chicken soup endings, this one, according to that site, is not true. See http://www.snopes.com/spoons/faxlore/fleming.htm Fleming's education was financed by an inheritance, not Randolph Churchill. And while Winston Churchill was treated for pneumonia while in Tunis in 1943, he was treated with a sulpha drug, not penicillin. In fact, had Churchill been treated with penicillin, one might argue that the two scientists who managed to purify and stabilize the drug, Florey and Chain (with whom Fleming shared a Nobel prize in 1945) also had a hand in saving Churchill. The story about Osler, however, rings true, and I now repeat it with great delight to anyone I can buttonhole to listen to it. Kay Douglas born skeptic
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 00:37:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd)
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Kay Douglas wrote:
> Bob wrote:
>
> >Here's another of those apocryphal stories I keep running across. This
> >one was sent to me by my sister (the person who takes all the pictures of
> >merchandise you see in Ace Hardware catalogs!)
>
> Hate to be a curmudgeon, but this story about Fleming and Churchill sounded
> too good to be true, so I did a bit of digging and the more I dug the more
> convinced I became that it was a myth.
I did say, though, that it was apocrypha, the kind of story that one might
hope would be true but never is. I like to send in these little tales not
because I think they happened but because they demonstrate how much
the people and events of the Gaslight era are still with us, how actively
our imaginations are still engaged with them. They are fairy tales with
real people in them (and, of course, fairy tales are never entirely
fanciful).
Bob C.
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Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:07:46 -0400 From: Kay Douglas <gwshark(at)erols.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd) Bob C. wrote: >I did say, though, that it was apocrypha, the kind of story that one might >hope would be true but never is. I like to send in these little tales not >because I think they happened but because they demonstrate how much >the people and events of the Gaslight era are still with us, how actively >our imaginations are still engaged with them. They are fairy tales with >real people in them (and, of course, fairy tales are never entirely >fanciful). Point apologetically taken. And I hope to see more of these delightful tales. I simply couldn't resist trying to track the tale's origins and was fascinated by how many times it was repeated verbatim, copied from one web page to another, without question - a clear demonstration of our fundamental need for fairy tales. Kay Douglas "Nothing is so firmly believed, as what we least know." - Michel de Montaigne
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 11:34:37 -0400 (EDT) From: LoracLegid(at)aol.com Subject: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today, Sunday, August 1, 1999 is a Celtic cross-quarter day. The year's has four cross-quarter days. Each cross-quarter "day" actually represents a collection of dates more or less midway between a solstice and an equinox. February 2 is the year's first cross-quarter day -- and it's also marked by the celebration of Candlemas in the Roman Catholic and other religions. In North America, we celebrate February 2 cross quarter day as Groundhog Day. It is a time for forecasting the weather -- when the legendary groundhog looks for his shadow. If he sees it, he's said to jump back down underground dooming us all to six more weeks of winter. On the other hand, a cloudy Groundhog Day forecasts an early spring. The second cross-quarter day comes on April 30 -- May Eve -- or on May Day, May 1. The third one comes on August 1 -- it's Lammas, an old festival to celebrate the first harvest. Lammas was/is also the feast of St Peter's Chains (Petrus ad Vincula). Then there's the fourth and final cross-quarter day for the year All Hallows, November 1. This is the most sinister since it comes at a time when there's not much daylight in the northern hemisphere. We celebrate it by dressing as witches and ghosts at Halloween. The four "quarter days" were near the solstices and equinoxes. They were Lady Day, March 25th (the beginning of the new year in England before 1752); Midsummer Day, June 24th; Michaelmas, Sept. 29th, and Christmas, December 25th. Lady Day and Michaelmas were the two most important for setting the terms of leases etc. http://www.pemberley.com/ http://www.teleport.com/~dwa/lammas.html http://www.earthsky.com/ Carol Digel LoracLegid(at)aol.com www.focdarley.org
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:48:26 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd) > >I did say, though, that it was apocrypha, the kind of story that one might >Point apologetically taken. I simply couldn't resist trying to track the I think we need both. I love the stories, too, and even with the note that it is possible it's a myth it's worthwhile having someone use their detecting powers to debunk the myth. Exactly what Sherlock would do. So we get double the pleasure--we get the fun story, the fairy tale and we get to play detective (those of us who choose) to see what we can really dig up. And that's what makes Gaslight doubly fun. Some of the best stories are passed along here but also some of the best cross research. Thanks to you both! Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 08:50:06 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Today, Sunday, August 1, 1999 is a Celtic cross-quarter day. > it's Lammas, an old festiva Also called Lughnassa in the old Celtic, after Lugh, a mythic hero (and sometime god). Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:50:41 -0600 (MDT) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Chat: Friendship (fwd) I was interested in Bob Champ's ML (medical legend) about Sir William Osler, as I remember hearing it many years ago from a medical student friend from Liverpool University School of Medicine. He also told me the following tale which I suspect is equally apocryphal, but is also medical in setting. Some years before, he said, the Professor of Opthalmology at one of the leading medical schools had retired after a long and successful career. His ex-students decided that as a memento of their well-beloved mentor, they would present him with his portrait by one of the country's leading artists. At the presentation ceremony, following the usual speeches and tributes from the authorities, the president of the group unveiled the portrait. It was a vast painting of a human eye, and in the pupil was the Professor's face, looking outwards. The professor studied it long and carefully, and then, turning to the audience, observed: "Gentlemen, I thank you sincerely. Not only for my portrait, which is an excellent likeness, and its surroundings, which are anatomically exact, but in addition for confirming my early decision not to specialise in gynaecology." Peter Wood
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:30:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day
On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Deborah McMillion Nering wrote:
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> Also called Lughnassa in the old Celtic, after Lugh, a mythic hero
> (and sometime god).
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So this is the origin, perhaps, of that old expression, "You gotta love
the big Lugh"? And all this time I thought it was simply a bit of
Americanese!
Bob C.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:06:30 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)alice.gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Today, August 1, 1999, a Cross-Quarter Day >Also called Lughnassa in the old Celtic, after Lugh, a mythic hero >>So this is the origin, perhaps, of that old expression, "You gotta love >>the big Lugh"? And all this time I thought it was simply a bit of >>Americanese! Okay...not only have I not heard that particular old expression but...I don't know! I couldn't even begin to guess! ;) Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #86 *****************************