In this issue:
Today in History - April 9
OT: A carp about TVGuide <WAS: Re: about those duelling dinosaurs ...>
agin on dat arwful movie
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
Lawns and lawnmowers again
Lawnmower inventor
Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website
Re: CHAT: Telling details versus over-description
Re: Re: CHAT: Telling details versus over-description
OT: WWI specialists out there?
Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website
Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website, WFMT
Obit: Ruth Redmond, the angel of Lundy's Lane
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
Re: OT: WWI specialists out there?
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
? W.W. Cooper at Little Big Horn
Re: Lawns and lawnmowers again
Today in History - April 12
Re: Lawns and lawnmowers again
Fw: WWI specialists out there?
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister
-----------------------------THE POSTS-----------------------------
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:15:23 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - April 9
1831
British Captain Robert Jenkins loses an ear to a band of
Spanish brigands, starting a
war between Britain and Spain; The War of Jenkins Ear.
1865
General Robert E. Lee surrenders his rebel forces to Union
Gen. Ulysses S. Grant at
Appomattox Courthouse, Va.
1900
British forces route Boers at Kroonstadt, South Africa.
1916
The German army launches it's third offensive during the
Battle of Verdun.
1917
Battle of Arras begins as Canadian troops begin a massive
assault on Vimy Ridge.
Born on April 9
1865
Erich Ludendorff, German general during World War I
1879
W.C. Fields (Claude William Dukinfield), comedian and actor
1898
Paul Robeson, stage and screen actor best remembered for his
role in Othello
1905
J. William Fulbright, U.S. senator from Arkansas who opposed
the Vietnam War
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 14:18:48 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: OT: A carp about TVGuide <WAS: Re: about those duelling dinosaurs ...>
I'll never buy a TVGuide again. The last one we purchased was at Christmas time
to find out the children's programming. Much of what was listed in their
summaries wasn't carried in Alberta in any form, some of it was wrong and all of
it was organized in Edmonton channel order, whereas I live in Calgary and have a
different TV dial.
Sorry for intruding on Gaslight with this. It's a sore point.
Stephen
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:12:44 -0400 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: agin on dat arwful movie Peter McCauley was on Hercules again tonight. Thankfully, for the last time, the very bad Professor Challenger played a spaced out Odin in Herc's misguided mess of a Norse legend tour. Next week we get back to Greece (okay, New Zealand) and Iolus comes back from the grave. Unfortunately, Iolus (Michael Hurst) directed the Norse mess two parter on Herc. ick. Sigh. Mickey, I thought better of ya. And speaking of arwful- get a load of them balsa wood? styrofoam? isicles and beams in frostland. At least there were no zippers showing on the Japanese monsters. Wait- that was a different movie! My bad! <G> And my Norse ancestors are holding their ears having listened to the fake Cherman/norse/whatever accent the actors were unable to hold for more than a word or two. Ach du lieber! Ver is da bier? Beer? Bring back the dancing indios of "Lost World"! Oh no! what am I saying? Chust go to sleep- all vill be betta in da mornik. Linda Anderson
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:33:20 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister THE JIMMYJOHN BOSS AND OTHER STORIES is available in etext through Project Gutenberg: http://tom.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/book/lookup?num=1390 So are several of his novels. http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/book/authorstart?W BTW, also recently made avail. is Captain Blood, by Rafael Sabatini. See: http://tom.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/book/lookup?num=1965 Best w's, S.T. Karnick - -----Original Message----- From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA> Date: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister >Like Patricia, I'm glad Stephen has "recycled" "La Tinaja Bonita," which >is one of those beautifully told stories--tragic though it is--that stays >with you (as it has with Patricia) long after you read it. > >Patricia asks about other stories by Wister. Here are some book titles >and their contents: > >_Red Man and White_ (1896) > >"Little Bighorn Medicine" >"Specimin Jones" >"The Serenade at Siskiyou" >"The General's Bluff" >"Salvation Gap" >"The Second Missouri Compromise" >"La Tinaja Bonita" >"A Pilgrim on the Gila" > >_The Jimmyjohn Boss and Other Stories_ (1900) > >"The Jimmyjohn Boss" >"A Kinsman of Red Cloud" >"Sharon's Choice" >"Twenty Minutes for Refreshment" >"The Promised Land" >"Hank's Woman" >"Padre Ognazio" > >_When West Was West_ (1928) > >"Bad Medicine" >"Captain Quid" >"Once Round the Clock" >"The Right Honorable the Strawberries" >"Lone Fountain" >"Absalom and Moulting Pelican" >"Skip to My Loo" >"Little Old Scaffold" >"At the Sign of the Last Chance" > >Bob C. > >On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Patricia Teter wrote: > >> >> Stephen, thanks for resurrecting the five texts, >> three of which I never read the first time around. >> I still vividly remember Wister's "La Tinaja Bonita" >> thanks to Bob Champ. Bob, did Wister write >> many short fiction westerns such as this? The >> Virginian was a full length novel, but was it >> originally published in serial form? >> >> Patricia >> >> >> >> > > >_________________________________________________ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >Robert L. Champ >rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu >Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity > >Whatever things are pure, whatever things are >lovely, whatever things are of good report, if >there is any virtue and if there is anything >praiseworthy; meditate on these things > Philippians 4:8 > >rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net >_________________________________________________ >@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ > >
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:23:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Lawns and lawnmowers again
Sometime back, I took to wondering about lawns and queried the list
about when the lawnmower was invented. A number of instructive
answers were forthcoming, though I never did find out about the
lawnmower. Now, an article in the current issue of _Smithsonian Magazine_
has arrived that discusses the American lawn, and gives some hint about
its origins as well as that of the lawnmower. Here is an excerpt from
"Our Love Affair with Lawns" by Doug Stewart:
<<
Surprisingly, the American lawn as an esthetic creation is little more
than a century old, according to landscape historian Georges Teyssot, a
French-born professor of architecture at Princeton University. Teyssot has
edited a book called _The American Lawn_, published by the Canadian Centre
for Architecture and Princeton Architectural press...
"The American lawn is actually a hybrid of two landscape traditions, the
colonial or vernacular garden and the European aristocratic garden,"
Teyssot tells me as we sit in slight chairs in his close-cropped backyard
in Princeton looking at old illustrations and postcards of lawns that he's
collected. The colonial garden was usually a small, rather scruffy area
next to the house where vegetables and flowers were grown and chores done.
The plots were normally fenced to keep out free-roaming pigs and cattle.
The aristocratic lawn, by contrast, was an impressive sweep of short grass
that offered vistas to and from the mansion on a grand estate. It was
popularized in 18th-century England by landscape designer Lancelot
"Capability" Brown, who earned his nickname from his habit of
discussing a site's "capabilities." His can-do attitude involved removing
groves of mature trees and sometimes small villages that spoiled his
clients' views of "nature." The style was adopted by such New World
aristocrats as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. The expanses
were normally trimmed by servants with scythes, though Washington
tried a less labor-intensive solution at Mount Vernon--a resident herd
of deer.
With a boom in lawnmower sales following the Civil War, the ordinary
suburban lawn quickly became the most recognizable element of the
American landscape, Teyssot says. A lawn of short grass was thought to
purify the air around a house while doubling as a bucolic visual frame.
An early champion of the lawn, Frank J. Scott, had written in 1870:
"Whoever spends the early hours of one summer, while the dew spangles
the grass, in pushing these grass-cutters over a velvety lawn, breathing
the fresh sweetness of the morning air and the perfume of the new nown
hay, will never rest contented again in the city." It is a paean to the
suburb and its wonder tool, the push mower. <<
"Grass cutters"--it is just as well that the name changed. I note also,
in this article, the synonymous usage of "lawn" and "yard." Surely that
can't be quite right. A lawn requires grass at the least; "yard" is a
more general term.
When I was a small child one of my pleasures was to follow my Uncle
Harry up and down the rows of grass he cut, using a push mower, on my
grandmother's extensive lawn. Later, as a teen, I got much the same
feeling riding on a neighbor's tractor as he mowed down fields of hay.(The
smell of new-mown hay is so pleasant and distinctive that those who
have not experienced it are missing quite a treat. New cut lawns always
impressed me as smelling of sliced cucumbers.)
Anyway, my interest in the lawnmower has been, temporarily at least,
quenched.
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:28:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Lawnmower inventor
In England there is a lawnmower museum, which has its own website. From
this site I excerpt the following, which informs readers of the
lawnmower's inventor and first manufacturer.
<<
RANSOMES, SIMMS & JEFFRIES OF IPSWICH
Ransomes started in 1830's, buying the patent off Edwin Budding, who
invented the lawnmower (Mr. Budding originally used the 'mower' to remove
knots of the top of cloth).
In 1867 they introduced a totally new design of Lawnmower, the Automaton,
(remembering that the chain and petrol engine had not been invented yet)
which became an instant success with over 1,000 machines being sold in the
first season. This design was to put Ransomes level with the other two
main producers Shanks of Arbroath in Scotland and Greens of Leeds & London
at that time. <<
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)UCLA.EDU> Subject: Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website Talk about serendipity, Bob: I had been trying to remember Buckley's name for a couple of months. Someone sent me another parody of "The Raven," which I thought could have been Buckley's. It wasn't, as the website conclusively proved. I was exposed to Buckley back in the early 60s via my favorite radio station, WFMT in Chicago; he was interviewed, as I remember, by Studs Terkel, whose laughter at Buckley's "His Majesty, the Pedestrian," almost drowned out Buckley. Thanks for your all your wonderful posts. Cheers, Jack. >The English language is a wonderful thing, capable of unending variations >and remarkable idioms. One of the more interesting users of it in the >1940s and 1950s was a comic performer named Lord Buckley. Lord Buckley's >speciality was translating well-known tales and events into the vocabulary >of the hipster. He performed hip versions of Mark Antony's speech in >Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar_ and of Poe's "The Raven." He told the story >of Jesus (well, some of it) in a monologue called "The Nazz" and recast >Lincoln's Gettysburg Address in hip. He also told folk-tales, like my >favorite of his monologues, "God's Own Drunk." > >Some people might find such treatment offensive, but there is a sweetness >in Lord Buckley's monologues robs them of that quality. If you would like >to sample some of his best work (in text form, though there are also >directions about how to order recordings) and learn a little about this >most unusual man, go to this URL: > >http://www.industrialhaiku.com/LBO/LBOPages/Welcome.html > >Dig the cat. When Lord Buckley laid it down, it stayed. > >Bob C. >
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 09:40:24 -0400 From: Mary Lee Herrick <XSNRG(at)IX.NETCOM.COM> Subject: Re: CHAT: Telling details versus over-description This is an old thread, but I just ran across something that fits. At the end of Jane Eyre, when Jane is traveling back to find out what became of Rochester, she is let out of the coach something like half a mile from the house. But she has to be told which direction to go, because she had never been in that direction and doesn't recognize the country. Of course, such a thing would be true today, getting off of a bus stop, but somehow you expect people who have lived someplace to at at least know the surrounding roads. Mary Lee Herrick
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 12:22:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: CHAT: Telling details versus over-description In a message dated 4/11/99 1:44:44 PM, Mary Lee wrote: <<Of course, such a thing would be true today, getting off of a bus stop, but somehow you expect people who have lived someplace to at at least know the surrounding roads.>> Not necessarily... especially not in rural provincial areas. Driving in Ireland four years ago, for instance, I had to ask three people, and finally a polizia, how to get to a town 12 miles away. (I'm very good with maps but was stumped by the one I had.) In many areas, people just don't "go places," don't commute, certainly not the way we do in North America. best, phoebe Phoebe Wray The Boston Conservatory zozie(at)aol.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:56:15 -0500 From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> Subject: OT: WWI specialists out there? Can any of you folks who know a lot about WWI or 20th Century military history direct me to someone who'd know about the Scots troops in WWI? I'm trying to find the source and a complete version of a supposedly offensive quotation about the Jocks "skiting too much". Kiwi Carlisle carlislc(at)psychiatry.wustl.edu
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:56:08 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website
- ---------------------- Forwarded by Stephen Davies/Academic/MRC on 04/12/99
08:55 AM ---------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:47:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Champ <rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu>
Subject: Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website
Jack Kolb wrote:
> Talk about serendipity, Bob: I had been trying to remember Buckley's
name for
> a couple of months. Someone sent me another parody of "The Raven,"
which I
> thought could have been Buckley's. It wasn't, as the website
conclusively
> proved.
Serendipitous indeed, Jack! I first heard Buckley's name long ago;
rather, I read it--on an album by Joan Baez, I believe. The singer,
writing her own liner notes, alluded to a moment in one of Buckley's shows
in which he stopped and said, being genuinely moved by his reception,
"Lords and Ladies, beloveds, would it embarrass you very much if I told
you I love you?" (It would be difficult to imagine a current "stand-up
comedian" using that line.) I thought, Any man who could say a thing like
that to an audience must be very out of the ordinary. And so he was.
>
>
> I was exposed to Buckley back in the early 60s via my favorite radio
> station, WFMT in Chicago; he was interviewed, as I remember, by Studs
> Terkel, whose laughter at Buckley's "His Majesty, the Pedestrian,"
almost
> drowned out Buckley.
Ah yes, WFMT--used to listen to it all the time, especially to their
Saturday night catch-all show called "The Midnight Special." And Terkel
is a magnificent interviewer. Though I never exactly saw eye-to-eye with
Studs on political issues, I always liked the fact that he actually knew
something about the people he interviewed, had read their books or was
acquainted with their lives, and could talk with them at length (and in
depth) about the subject at hand. He is the only interviewer I ever heard
who is absolutely passionate about interviewing, who gets caught up in the
process and the language, and who communicates a kind of joy in what he is
doing that is infectious. I remember, too, that he sometimes gives
readings on his show--around Christmas time. His reading of Faulkner's
"The Bear" is exceptional (it helps that Studs used to be an actor).
>
>
> Thanks for your all your wonderful posts. Cheers, Jack.
Why, thank you, Jack!
Bob C.
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Robert L. Champ
rchamp(at)polaris.umuc.edu
Editor, teacher, anglophile, human curiosity
Whatever things are pure, whatever things are
lovely, whatever things are of good report, if
there is any virtue and if there is anything
praiseworthy, meditate on these things
Philippians 4:8
rchamp7927(at)aol.com robertchamp(at)netscape.net
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:24:38 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: CHAT: Lord Buckley website, WFMT Oh, Chicago, WFMT, Studs Terkel! I was born at Michael Reese Hospital, and my daughter Kate was born at Michael Reese Hospital, and I may still have the WFMT program guide for the night/day I was in labor. I insisted on taking the radio with me, and concentrated more on the musical offerings than I did on Natural Childbirth (as it was then) breathing. No wonder I have a musical daughter. Carroll
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:59:11 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: Obit: Ruth Redmond, the angel of Lundy's Lane
Ruth Redmond died last week and is being honoured as the saviour of Lundy's
Lane, an important battlesite of the War of 1812. Ms. Redmond was a teacher in
the Niagara Falls area and was disturbed by the lack of value assigned to the
Lundy's Lane property. As it became increasingly urbanized, she started to buy
up acres of it herself to preserve it.
This is explained on a webpage which is intended to be in HTML, but was not
saved properly. It's still legible.
http://www.vaxxine.com/drummondville/Redmond
It says in part:
>This 94 year old woman has made it her life's work to accumulate parts
>of the Lundy's Lane battlefield before all is buried under hotels, and fast
>food joints. She spent her whole life making sure that these 3 acres will
>be forever saved as a reminder to Canadians of their valiant struggle to
>become Canadian.
et plus en francais at "Servitudes protectrices du patrimoine", which includes
Ms. Redmond's photo:
http://www.heritagefdn.on.ca/ohf-french/FR-Heritage/conservation2.htm
According to the news reports, Ms. Redmond was bothered that Canadians would
remember Flanders Field, but couldn't remember its own battles right at home.
She annually planted blood red geraniums for "her boys" who fell in Lundy's
Lane.
In the promotional blurb for "Where Right and Glory Lead! The Battle of Lundy's
Lane, 1814" by Donald E. Graves, the following explanation of the battle is
given:
>Where RIGHT AND GLORY LEAD! is the story of one of the most hard-fought
military actions in North American history.
> On a summer evening in July 1814, within sight of Niagara Falls, 5,000
American, British and Canadian soldiers
>struggled desperately for nearly five hours in a close-range, vicious battle
that raged on into the dark. By morning more
>than a third had become casualties of what one participant remembered as "a
conflict obstinate beyond description."
>
>The two armies had fought to the point of exhaustion, and who won the battle
has been a matter of dispute. The
>American force withdrew to Fort Erie, where it dealt the British-Canadian
forces a sharp defeat, then crossed back into
>the United States.
>
>Lundy's Lane was the bloodiest battle of the War of 1812 and the bloodiest
fought on what is now Canadian soil. It was
>the high mark of the 1814 Niagara campaign, which was the longest and most
sustained military campaign of the War of
>1812, and cost the most casualties on both sides. The Niagara campaign was the
last time that Canada suffered a major
>foreign invasion.
(source: http://www3.sympatico.ca/dis.general/graves1.htm)
A painting of the battle itself can be found at the Lincoln and Welland Regiment
homepage:
http://www.iaw.on.ca/~awoolley/lwhist.html
Stephen D
mailto:SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:19:17 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister Sam, thanks for the Wister URLs, as well as for Sabatini's Captain Blood. I see the revised US copyright law has released early Sabatini works into the public domain. Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:10:56 -0400 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: OT: WWI specialists out there? >Delivered-To: lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net >X-Sender: sonia(at)mail.teleport.com >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 09:08:36 -0700 >To: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> >From: sonia(at)teleport.com (Sonia Fetherston) >Subject: Re: OT: WWI specialists out there? > >Try a book called Edwardian Scotland, by CW Hill (Rowman & Littlefield, >Totowa NJ, 1976) ISBN 0-87471-846-5. The last couple of chapters have a >good overview of the Scots in WWI. The "British" field command (like Field >Marshall Haig, for example) included a number of Scotsmen, as were many of >the first "British" troops sent to France in mid-August, 1914; you have to >remember that Scotsmen were much more palatable to the French than having >100 percent of English troops swarming in (goes back to the auld alliance >between France and Scotland). The Royal Scots Greys, The Gordon >Highlanders, and Hamilton's Third Division all were among the first >regiments to be sent over to the continent. > >Sonia F. > >>>Delivered-To: lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net >>>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:56:15 -0500 >>>From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu> >>>Subject: OT: WWI specialists out there? >>>Sender: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >>>To: Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >>>Reply-to: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >>>X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca id >>> HAA01183 >>>X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 >>> >>>Can any of you folks who know a lot about WWI or 20th Century >>>military history direct me to someone who'd know about the Scots >>>troops in WWI? I'm trying to find the source and a complete >>>version of a supposedly offensive quotation about the Jocks >>>"skiting too much". >>> >>>Kiwi Carlisle >>>carlislc(at)psychiatry.wustl.edu >>> >>> >>> > > > >
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:31:44 +0300 From: cbishop(at)interlog.com (Carroll Bishop) Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister >Sam, thanks for the Wister URLs, as well as for >Sabatini's Captain Blood. I see the revised US copyright >law has released early Sabatini works into the public >domain. > >Patricia > >Patricia A. Teter >PTeter(at)Getty.edu Which revised copyright law, Patricia? I understand the latest copyright law revision (1998) extends the copyright on some books, at least, further than the previous one. Latest one went through I think at the last minute of the previous Congress. (Previous to now I mean.) Carroll Bishop
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:49:06 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister Carroll writes: <<Which revised copyright law, Patricia? I understand the latest copyright law revision (1998) extends the copyright on some books, at least, further than the previous one. Latest one went through I think at the last minute of the previous Congress. (Previous to now I mean.) We are talking about the same copyright law, where a specific date, 1923, has now been given as a cut off date. Any thing prior to 1923 is now in the public domain, which moves some work into public domain, while taking some works out of the public domain, regardless of the author's date of death. At least this is my understanding of the law, which has left many dazed and confused. Patricia
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:04:23 -0600
From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
Subject: ? W.W. Cooper at Little Big Horn
I heard a radio report last week, but I am sketchy on the details. An auction
house in Red Deer sold a knife and revolver believed to have belonged to W.W.
Cooper, a Canadian who was at Little Big Horn.
Does anyone know any more details?
Stephen D
mailto:sdavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:48:30 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Lawns and lawnmowers again Bob C. writes in his exploration of lawns: <<When I was a small child one of my pleasures was to follow my Uncle Harry up and down the rows of grass he cut, using a push mower, on my grandmother's extensive lawn. Later, as a teen, I got much the same feeling riding on a neighbor's tractor as he mowed down fields of hay.(The smell of new-mown hay is so pleasant and distinctive that those who have not experienced it are missing quite a treat. New cut lawns always impressed me as smelling of sliced cucumbers.)>> Oh, what a fantastic smell; I am partial to the smell of cut meadow hay myself, more earthy, less cucumbery than high water content lawn grass. As a child, I remember running into the middle of a hay field, hiding in the grass and watching the clouds pass, as the grass waved to and fro, like a gentle green fragrant ocean. Amazing how smell is such a powerful memory trigger device. From the Smithsonian article: <<An early champion of the lawn, Frank J. Scott, had written in 1870: "Whoever spends the early hours of one summer, while the dew spangles the grass, in pushing these grass-cutters over a velvety lawn, breathing the fresh sweetness of the morning air and the perfume of the new nown hay, will never rest contented again in the city." It is a paean to the suburb and its wonder tool, the push mower. << A much earlier champion of this general idea was Virgil in his agricultural poems, the Georgics (Georgica), dating between 36 and 29 BC, extolling the rustic virtues, which I wholeheartedly endorse. Patricia
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 15:09:53 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - April 12
1811
The first colonists arrive at Cape Disappointment, Washington.
1861
Fort Sumter is shelled by Confederacy, starting America's
Civil War.
1864
Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest captures Fort Pillow,
in Tennessee and
slaughters the black Union troops there.
1877
The first catcher's mask is used in a baseball game.
1911
Pierre Prier completes the first non-stop London-Paris flight
in three hours and 56
minutes. America's first nonstop continental flight.
1916
American cavalrymen and Mexican bandit troops clash at
Parrel, Mexico.
Born on April 12
1777
Henry Clay, the "Great Compromiser", American politician and
statesman who ran
unsuccessfully for president three times. [But he'd rather be
right]
1791
Francis Preston Blair, Washington Globe newspaper editor
1838
John Shaw Billings, American librarian, army physician [As a
librarian for physicians, I've gotta look this guy up!]
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:26:50 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Lawns and lawnmowers again ><<When I was a small child one of my pleasures was to follow my Uncle >Harry up and down the rows of grass he cut, using a push mower We still use one, and, well, always have. One spring while my husband was in Spain I cut the yard in a maze and left sections to grow. It was quite fun because we often had a lot of wildflowers and usually left it as a meadow. This was a meadow maze. Eventually it looked pretty ugly so we finally mowed it all down. Our neighbors, all who raked all their leaves the minute they fell and had power mowers used to stare. They knew it wasn't neglect...just weird. I love pushmowers. Nothing to fear. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 20:56:45 -0400
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Fw: WWI specialists out there?
Kiwi,
RE: your highlander question, my brother suggested the following.
Best,
John Squires
- -----Original Message-----
From: isquires(at)mindspring.com <isquires(at)mindspring.com>
To: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: WWI specialists out there?
>Have her try the Great War Society
>www.mcs.com/~mikeiltggws/
>or
>Hellfire corner
>www.fyde.demon.co.uk/welcome.htm#contents
>
>Each has chat rooms that should help out.
>
> Bucko
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
>To: Buck Squires <ISquires(at)mindspring.com>
>Cc: Misty D Squires <SquiresM(at)meredith.edu>; Jett, Pat
><Pat.Jett(at)experian.com>
>Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:13 AM
>Subject: Fw: WWI specialists out there?
>
>
>>Buck,
>> Gaslight is a literary discussion group I subscribe to. Know what
>>she's talking about?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Chris Carlisle <CarlislC(at)psychiatry1.wustl.edu>
>>To: Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
>>Date: Monday, April 12, 1999 10:01 AM
>>Subject: OT: WWI specialists out there?
>>
>>
>>>Can any of you folks who know a lot about WWI or 20th Century
>>>military history direct me to someone who'd know about the Scots
>>>troops in WWI? I'm trying to find the source and a complete
>>>version of a supposedly offensive quotation about the Jocks
>>>"skiting too much".
>>>
>>>Kiwi Carlisle
>>>carlislc(at)psychiatry.wustl.edu
>>>
>>
>
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:45:33 -0800 From: Robert Raven <rraven(at)alaska.net> Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister Patricia Teter wrote: > > Sam, thanks for the Wister URLs, as well as for > Sabatini's Captain Blood. I see the revised US copyright > law has released early Sabatini works into the public > domain. > > Patricia > > Patricia A. Teter > PTeter(at)Getty.edu Patricia, Just a clarification. The revised U.S. copyright law (revised at end 1998) did nothing to release anything new into public domain. Quite the opposite. It extended the term of copyright protection from 75 years past publication to 95 years past publication. As before, anything published prior to 1923 is in public domain in the U.S. The new copyright law is being challenged in court. Bob Raven
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 23:50:33 -0800 From: Robert Raven <rraven(at)alaska.net> Subject: Re: Etext avail: five old etexts resurrected and Wister Patricia Teter wrote: > > Carroll writes: <<Which revised copyright law, Patricia? > I understand the latest copyright law revision (1998) extends > the copyright on some books, at least, further than the > previous one. Latest one went through I think at the last > minute of the previous Congress. (Previous to now I mean.) > > We are talking about the same copyright law, where a > specific date, 1923, has now been given as a cut off date. > Any thing prior to 1923 is now in the public domain, which > moves some work into public domain, while taking some > works out of the public domain, regardless of the author's > date of death. At least this is my understanding of the > law, which has left many dazed and confused. > > Patricia Patricia, I should read all my messages before replying. In the U.S., an author's date of death has nothing to do with copyright term. It is now, and has always been, based on the date of publication. This is at odds with U.K. law, and most other places, where the author's death starts the clock on copyright term. The effect of this cuts two ways. For example, some of the work of Algernon Blackwood, Rex Stout, Willa Cather is in public domain in the U.S., whereas I believe none of the work of these writers is public domain in the U.K. But, in the U.K. all of the work of James Joyce, Virginia Woolf and H.G. Wells is in public domain (I believe; correct me if I'm wrong), while in the U.S. only some works have entered public domain. Again, the magic date is 1923 in the U.S., and if the current law is upheld in court, it will stay that way for the next twenty years. Bob Raven ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #62 *****************************