In this issue: Chat: more on H'ween movies Re: Personal ghosts Re: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies Re: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies a certain age Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay Re: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay RE: Personal ghosts Re: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay Chat: Family ghosts Chat: AMC movie fest Today in History - Oct. 29 a riddle AMC Horrorfest Re: AMC Horrorfest Re: e-texts CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest Re: CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest Re: Personal ghosts Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al. personal ghosts revanant Re: personal ghosts revanant Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al. Re: Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al. Re: CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:14:49 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Chat: more on H'ween movies >>I saw it as a kid. But I remember wondering how the frightened heroine >(she's a wimp) >>> Well, she's not a complete wimp. She stands down the two heroes so she >can climb down into the ant's domain with them. Yes, thank you. I really thought this was a departure from 1950's movies. Not only did she go down into that ant hill but she was the one with the brains. Thank you. She kept that blouse tucked in because she was a professional! I like to mention that the first time I saw this I was the same age as the little girl found wandering in the desert in the beginning. My parents went to this at the drive in and thought I'd go to sleep. But there I was, with the same braids and exact same bathrobe saying "hey...what's that little girl like me doing in the desert?" The sound of a loose fanbelt used to send me screaming! Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:20:34 -0600 From: smdawes(at)home.com Subject: Re: Personal ghosts My mother had an experience quite like that. She had an operation in 1950, and then got pneumonia, and then everything began going wrong; she was steadily declining for over a week. My father was called to the hospital because she was doing terrible on a Sunday morning. Before he got there she stopped breathing, and was clinically dead for several minutes. During this, she saw the dark tunnel and the bright light that are characteristics of a near-death experience. She saw her father (she was always her father's favorite) coming down the tunnel, smiling and holding out his hands to her, and then suddenly she was back in the hospital bed with a nurse and intern working on her. After this, she did get better (for which I'm glad, since I was born years after this). But the kicker to this story, which always gives me goosebumps, was that her father had died 5 days before this episode of emphysema, and they had not told her yet because she was so sick. She had no idea her father had died. In fact, they had not even had the funeral yet. Since she had been going downhill so quickly and was so sick, they had decided to wait until she either got better or died to have the funeral, because my grandmother was in such a state. My mother always said that she wasn't afraid of death after her experience. Marta Mattingly Conner wrote: > > Thanks for the invite, Linda. My family is Catholic (Mattinglys go back to > the Doomsday Book), and there was the famous story I was always told about > the picture of Christ that fell when my grandmother died. As kids we always > sensed this was a comfort to my mother, so we always said: "Oh my!" > > But my dad -- this is lovely, and in the old SPR compilation (Edmund Guerney > and FWHMyers) "Phantasms of the Living", it would fall under the 'most > reported' supernatural experience category. My father was very young when > he lost his leg in WW2, and fate was especially cruel. He was the youngest > of nine, and very close to his old mom. Just as he was beginning to recover > in the stateside hospital, he was wheeled out on the sun-deck one morning > and given a letter telling him she had died. Well, I always knew this > story, but it wasn't until he was dying himself that he told me the rest. > He told me -- and dad was a no-nonsense, law-and-order kinda guy -- that she > had come to him as a vision when he was in and out of consciousness with his > injury. She had stood before him and embraced him -- of that he was sure -- > the very same day she died. > > With heart, > Deborah Mattingly Conner > muse(at)iland.net > http://www.iland.net/~muse > "If I tell you three parts of a thing you have no cause to complain. Seek > one of three, and of three one will be there: for where there is body and > soul, there is also Spirit and there shine salt, silver, and mercury. Trust > my word, seek the grass that is trefoil. Thou knowest the name and art wise > and cunning if thou findest it." ~ Waterstone of the Wise > > -
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:35:13 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies In a message dated 10/29/98 12:03:45 AM, you wrote: << Well, she's not a complete wimp. She stands down the two heroes so she can climb down into the ant's domain with them. She was the only one with enough knowledge to recognize whether the young queens & drones had flown the original nest before they gassed it. Within the context of the flick [& the fifties] a gutsy stance to take. >> Then I'm remembering it incorrectly! Will have to take another look. Thanks. I just remember the way she ran -- with her arms out to the sides and the elbows crook'd. I think I was the fastest kid on the block at the time. Out of our period, of course. But it's been a long climb from the frightened maiden to Xena. smiling phoebe
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:37:54 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies In a message dated 10/29/98 12:19:56 AM, you wrote: << I thought you were a "woman of a certain age>> well yes I am, a woman of a "certain age," which ought to give me some credits here and there, but I was still a kid when this was around. It scared me. Proof enough? I'm old enough to sneer at the Boomers. And do so regularly. I think it is good for them. My time was the last good chidhood. No bomb. smiling anyway phoebe
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: a certain age I wouldn't want to mislead you. it was "real time" but I was a teenager. Old for my age, too, a serious kid. My heroine was (and is) Susan Hayward, and she managed to be feisty and get in and out of trouble and never get a hair out of place, except very engagingly. (And for the movie buffs on this list, "I Want to Live" stands up pretty well.) My favorite "starched" moment with heroines is in King Solomon's Mines when Deborah Kerr cuts her long perfectly straight hair and it turns into a short perm. So there. happily, phoebe
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:56:46 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay Although this is a relatively short resource, not like the 2 volumes I understand Bleiler has, I have found Lovecraft's essay on Supernatural Fiction a rather invaluable resource. For some time it was my only resource. Imagine my surprise when I first read it how hard some of these stories were to even find at the library. But thanks to renewed interest, Dover books, Ballantine, and the ongoing Oxford Books of (and now Ash Tree and others), etc. it is getting easier to find this. Rather ironic given the remove of time but rewarding all the same. I haven't done a re-perusal of this in it's totality but since it is still an ongoing resource for me I have found little that I disagreed with and many of his recommendations proved enriching. If you haven't read this, it's definitely worth the look-see. Whether you like Lovecraft's fiction or not, he knew the genre pretty thoroughly. My own complaint is that I wish it had been longer and he'd covered even more material. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:36:15 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay
At 09:56 PM 10/28/98 -0700, Deborah McMillion wrote:
I have found little that I disagreed with and many of his recommendations
>proved enriching.
>
>If you haven't read this, it's definitely worth the look-see. Whether you
>like Lovecraft's fiction or not, he knew the genre pretty thoroughly. My
>own complaint is that I wish it had been longer and he'd covered even more
>material.
>
Yes, it is pretty obvious that Lovecraft had read all of the major
folks and a lot of others that he judged unworthy of inclusion. Not a bad essay.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:26:42 -0600 From: Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: Personal ghosts Marta, Thanks for the story of your mother. Intuition can be an eerie thing, but here it is comforting. It isn't all sci-fi and x-files. I know we call it 'coincidence' and forget it, or people call it 'psychic power' and make money on it with 900 numbers. Both extremes are a waste of time. This is a very human event, the most common type reported, that we have had in our families. With heart, Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse So each entered the forest at a point that he, himself, had chosen, where it was darkest and there was no path. ~La Queste del Saint Graal
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:25:19 -0500
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Lovecraft's Supernatural Fiction Essay
>At 09:56 PM 10/28/98 -0700, Deborah McMillion wrote:
> I have found little that I disagreed with and many of his recommendations
>>proved enriching.
>>
>>If you haven't read this, it's definitely worth the look-see. Whether you
>>like Lovecraft's fiction or not, he knew the genre pretty thoroughly. My
>>own complaint is that I wish it had been longer and he'd covered even more
>>material.
>>
>
> Yes, it is pretty obvious that Lovecraft had read all of the major
>folks and a lot of others that he judged unworthy of inclusion. Not a bad
essay.
>
> James
>James Michael Rogers
>jetan(at)ionet.net
>Mundus Vult Decipi
>
I have already mentioned that I was impressed by an early recording I
heard of
some Lovecraft stories, but I had actually read him earlier than that. I
basically went
through my high school library & read every anthology with SF or horror
stories.
These included Wise & Frazier, _Sleep No More_ & a number of Derleth's other
anthologies. At the time I just read the stories without paying much
attention to who
wrote them. When I was in college I came across _The Outsider_ while
working in the
library & recognized Lovecraft's name from the record album notes. Reading
that I
realized that this was the guy who had written some of the stories that had
moved me before, like "The Dunwhich Horror" & "At the Mountains of Madness".
Eventually I found "Supernatural Horror in Literature", which became my
reading
list for many years. In _Selected Letters_ you can find HPL's requests to
his
many correspondents for help in locating material he wished to include, and
his joy of
discovery when someone would direct him to some new writer. For instance,
it was
W. Paul Cook who introduced Lovecraft to Shiel, by loaning him a copy of
_The Pale Ape_.
Lovecraft in turn led me to Shiel and a number of other writers.
By the way, AMC is doing an all day monster movie marathon on Saturday,
beginning with
"Cat People" at 5:40AM. Two "Lovecraft" movies will be included, "The
Haunted Palace",
loosely adapted from "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward" and "Die, Monster,
Die", a turkey
said to be based on "The Color Out of Space". A far better film will be
shown at 1:15am Sunday,
"Black Sunday", a truly scary vampire movie staring Barbara Steele. Check
your local listings for
times & titles of more interest to you.
Happy Halloween
John Squires
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:36:30 -0500 From: Mary Lee Herrick <XSNRG(at)IX.NETCOM.COM> Subject: Chat: Family ghosts My sister claims to have seen a ghost. She is 12 years younger than me, and my parents moved into a newly built house the summer before I left for college, so it is not a house I grew up in myself. She says that one night, while on the way to the bathroom, she saw a colonial lady walk across the hall and go into the hall closet. She only ever saw it that once. The house is near Mt. Vernon, but there is no record of anything having been on that site, especially something two stories tall (she saw it upstairs). But the real reason I think she was dreaming, was that she says she wasn't scared. This is the same kid who, the first time she saw King Kong on TV, hid around the corner in the kitchen, and didn't watch whenever the music got scary. In short, she never did see the ape. So I have my sisterly doubts. It isn't really Halloweeny, but King Kong is still among my votes for scariest films. Although I think my all-time favorite scary scene is the part in the middle of Jurassic Park when the T.Rex shows up. I loved scary films as a kid, like so many of you, but more as a fan or something than as a participant. A voyeur. Now, books could give me nightmares...and sometimes still do. May ghoulies and ghosties and long-legged beasties and things that go bump in the night-- continue to visit! Mary Lee Herrick xsnrg(at)ix.netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:37:32 -0700
From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com>
Subject: Chat: AMC movie fest
>>AMC is doing "Cat People" at 5:40AM. Two "Lovecraft" movies will be
>>included, "The Haunted Palace", loosely adapted from "The Case of Charles
>>Dexter Ward" and "Die, Monster, Die", a turkey said to be based on "The
>>Color Out of Space". A far better film will be shown at 1:15am Sunday,
>>"Black Sunday", a truly scary vampire movie staring Barbara Steele.<<
Thanks, John, for fleshing out this list. Looks like the VCR will be ready
to get both Cat People and Black Sunday. I haven't seen the latter since
college but I remember Barbara Steele. A wonderful actress of the truly
Gothic--this movie is definitely worth seeing if you haven't. I last saw
her in the early 90's in the remake of DARK SHADOWS for tv as Barnabas'
doctor.
I saw "Die MONSTER Die" years ago and my only memory was worrying about the
poor weird distored "animals" exposed to the color out of space. If you
watch it look for those, it's the one scary part still for me after
recently reseeing it. I'm afraid I laughed my way thorugh a recent viewing
of The Haunted Palace--the obvious attempt at twisting Lovecraft into the
Poe poem was very odd.
Deborah
Deborah McMillion
deborah(at)gloaming.com
http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:19:39 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - Oct. 29
1813
The Demologos, the first steam-powered warship, launched in New
York City.
1901
Leon Czolgosz is electrocuted for the assassination of
President McKinley. Czolgosz, an
anarchist, shot McKinley on September 6 during a public
reception at the Temple of Music
in Buffalo, N.Y. Despite early hopes of recovery, McKinley died
September 14, in
Buffalo.
Born on October 29
1882
Jean Giraudoux, French dramatist, novelist and diplomat, famous
for his book _Tiger at the
Gates_
1897
Joseph G. Goebbels, German Nazi Propaganda Minister who died of
suicide in Hitler's
bunker.
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 11:39:18 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: a riddle > My first is follow'd by my second; > Yet should my first my second see, > A dire mishap it would be reckon'd, > And sadly shock'd my first would be. > The reference to firsts and seconds had me thinking of duels, but then why would the seconds be shooting the firsts? Perhaps by accident? > Were I but what my whole implies, > And pass'd by chance across your portal, > You'd cry, `Can I believe my eyes? > I never saw so queer a mortal!' > For then my head would not be on, > My arms their shoulders must abandon; > My very body would be gone, > I should not have a leg to stand on. Shadows? Ghosts? Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: AMC Horrorfest Greetings, As a public service <g>, herewith the horror/sf offerings from AMC for the Halloween weekend. All times noted are EST. YMMV. Beginning with the long-awaited debut of: CURSE OF THE DEMON -- THU, 10/29 at 10:00 p.m.(1958; Dana Andrews, Jacques Tourneur directed) M.R. James lives! FRI, 10/30: COBRA WOMAN 10:45 a.m. (1944; Maria Montez) Evil twins. So what else is new. (The rest of the day filled with other stuff.) HOLLYWOOD GHOST STORIES 9:00 p.m. (Documentary) THEM! 10:00 p.m. (1954; James Whitmore, James Arness, Edmund Gwenn, and a cast of thousands). One of the first and best big scary insects are taking over the world stories. (BTW, at the same time, 10:00 p.m., FXM--Fox Movie Channel-- is showing THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (1951; Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal and a VERY tall waiter -- Klaatu barada nikto! -- sorry for the spelling) AND the SCI-FI channel is showing THE WAR OF THE WORLDS (1953; Gene Barry, and a wimpy girl who shall remain nameless) at 11:00 p.m. Talk about an embarrassment of riches! BACK TO AMC: SAT, 10/31. THE day begins! HOLLYWOOD GHOST STORIES repeats at midnight. THE HAUNTED PALACE 1:00 a.m. (1964; Vincent Price, Debra Paget) Already discussed here. HPL meets EAP. KONGA 2:45 a.m. (1961; British; Michael Gough, Margo Johns - who??) Chimp goes ape in London. Unknown quantity. GORGO 4:20 a.m. (1961; British, Bill Travers). Mother-love, monster-style. Don't miss the FX of the boat sinking in the Thames. A hoot. CAT PEOPLE 5:40 a.m. (1942) Another Tourneur classic; first Val Lewton production. DR. CYCLOPS 7:00 a.m. (1940; Albert Dekker). Mad scientist runs amok. THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN 8:15 a.m (1957; Grant Williams, from a story by Richard Matheson). This one blew me away first time I saw it. Words to the wise: never pilot your boat through a strange cloud. THE HAUNTED PALACE repeats at 9:45 a.m. THE OBLONG BOX 11:30 a.m. (1969; Price, Christopher Lee, from a Poe story). Missed this one. Any comments? MONSTER MANIA 1:15 p.m. (Documentary with Jack Palance). A repeat from 1992 but lots of fun; mucho clips from horror flicks of yesteryear. THEM! repeats at 2:35 p.m. WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH 4:30 p.m. (1971, British, cast of unknowns except for 1968's Playmate of the Year) Stop-motion animation, but no Ray Harryhausen. TALES OF TERROR 6:15 p.m. (1962; Vincent Price, Roger Corman directed). Trio of Poe tales. DRACULA--PRINCE OF DARKNESS 8:00 p.m. (1966; British). Christopher Lee plays the Count. 'X'--THE MAN WITH THE X-RAY EYES 10:00 p.m. (1963; Ray Milland) Another mad scientist runs amok. And, as the witching hour approacheth: DIE, MONSTER, DIE! 11:35 a.m. (1965; British, Boris Karloff, Nick Adams). Another HPL mish-mash. Did poor old Boris really need the money? SUNDAY, 11/1 (put I'm still counting it as THE day!) BLACK SUNDAY 1:15 a.m. (1960; Italian, the incomparable Barbara Steele). Witch returns to exact vengeance. Anyone know of any other Steele films available? HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL 3:00 a.m. (1958; Vincent Price, Wm. Castle directed). Great kitschy fun; Price has a haunted house party with his homicidal wife. THE REPTILE 4:20 a.m. (1966; British). What were they DOING across the pond in the '60s? BEGINNING OF THE END 7:00 a.m. (1957; Peter Graves, Bert I. Gordon directed). VideoHounds says this is the best giant grasshopper movie ever made. One sincerely hopes it's the ONLY giant grasshopper movie ever made. THE BLACK SCORPION 8:15 a.m. (1957; Richard Denning, Mara Corday). More nuclear-enhanced bugs roam the desert. WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH repeats at 9:45 a.m. (Like we needed this) HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL repeats at 11:30 a.m. THE GORGON 1:00 p.m. (1964; British, Christopher Lee, Peter Cushing). Monster turns his victims to stone. 'X'- THE MAN WITH THE X-RAY EYES repeats at 2:30 p.m. This seems to be it folks. We now return you to your scheduled programming. HAPPY HALLOWEEN! Donna Goldthwaite dgold(at)javanet.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:45:23 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: AMC Horrorfest >GORGO 4:20 a.m. (1961; British, Bill Travers). Mother-love, monster-style. >Don't miss the FX of the boat sinking in the Thames. A hoot. Is this the one where the two prehistoric parents only want their baby back? >WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH 4:30 p.m. (1971, British, cast of unknowns >except for 1968's Playmate of the Year) Stop-motion animation Here's one I never could make it through despite Jurassic Park's nod to the head at it in the end w/the T-Rex. Too much cave man stuff. >HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL 3:00 a.m. (1958; Vincent Price, Wm. Castle directed). >Great kitschy fun; Price has a haunted house party with his homicidal wife. This one has special nostalgia for me because Julie Mitchum-Sayers (short blond hair, I think she was a reporter), the sister of actor Robert Mitchum, starred in this. She was a close friend of mine and was one of the presiders at my wedding. Little did I know when I screamed my way through HoHH at the $ drivein with girlfriends. "You were in House on the Haunted Hill???" I really wanted the little coffin boxes their guns came in. Nice touch. >BEGINNING OF THE END 7:00 a.m--this is the best giant grasshopper movie ever >made. One sincerely hopes it's the ONLY giant grasshopper movie ever made. Not unless you count the giant grasshoppers in THE COSMIC MONSTERS, another mad scientist gone amok but aided by friendlies from outer space (for once). >THE BLACK SCORPION 8:15 a.m. (1957; Richard Denning, Mara Corday). More >nuclear-enhanced bugs roam the desert. Another favorite because some of this was filmed in Arizona Deborah (who is between shows this week and so seems to have way too much time) Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:31:54 +1000 From: Toni Johnson-Woods <t.johnsonwoods(at)mailbox.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: e-texts I will be sending the e-text for the Melbourne Cup story tomorrow...sorry but the longer one is taking an age to get finished...so that can come later....did my last stuff -- sent through in HTML--arrive in okay condition? cheers toni Lecturer Bachelor of Contemporary Studies University of Queensland Brisbane. 4072. Australia
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:45:30 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest Donna Goldthwaite wrote, variously, in part, > As a public service <g>, herewith the horror/sf offerings from AMC >for the Halloween weekend. All times noted are EST. YMMV. Thank you. >Beginning with the long-awaited debut of: > >CURSE OF THE DEMON -- THU, 10/29 at 10:00 p.m.(1958; Dana Andrews, Jacques >Tourneur directed) M.R. James lives! Do not miss this. Get cable or satellite or whatever. It's worth it. >FRI, 10/30: > >COBRA WOMAN 10:45 a.m. (1944; Maria Montez) Evil twins. So what else is new. Not great, but not bad either. Rather interesting, if not earthshaking. Never quite dull. >THEM! 10:00 p.m. (1954; James Whitmore, James Arness, Edmund Gwenn, and a >cast of thousands). One of the first and best big scary insects are taking >over the world stories. Very good film. A late-1940s picture, HE WALKED BY NIGHT, featuring Richard Basehart as a murderer on the loose, has even better scenes set in the Los Angeles storm sewers, but the sequences in THEM! are very good also. Certainly scarier than THE NAKED JUNGLE, which has Charlton Heston and Eleanor Parker to its advantage but takes forever to get to the good stuff. (Heston gets stuck doing more scenery chewing than the ants, which only come on in the last half-hour or so.) In THEM!, the filmmakers' use of children in the narrative was a very effective way of creating identification on the part of their obvious target audience. It's not Shakespeare, but adults can enjoy it too. Just don't tell anybody. >(BTW, at the same time, 10:00 p.m., FXM--Fox Movie Channel-- is showing THE >DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (1951; Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal and a VERY >tall waiter -- Klaatu barada nikto! -- sorry for the spelling) This is a wonderful allegory. Note the name of Rennie's character and it should all become clear. >AND the SCI-FI channel is showing THE WAR OF THE WORLDS (1953; Gene Barry, >and a wimpy girl who shall remain nameless) at 11:00 p.m. Talk about an >embarrassment of riches! There have been better actresses than Ann Robinson, and I still cannot figure out why the Martian grabbed her shoulder while looking away from her and instead staring directly at the camera, nor how the Martian blood got on Gene Barry's handkerchief (he wrapped a piece of Martian _machinery_ in it, and it never touched any Martians in the narrative), but this is a great film. Truly great. Classic moment: Pastor Collins says that if the Martians are more intellectually advanced than us, then they must be that much closer to the Creator, and quickly finds out whether than makes any more sense to Martians than it did to me. >THE OBLONG BOX 11:30 a.m. (1969; Price, Christopher Lee, from a Poe story). >Missed this one. Any comments? Very good beginning, quite frightening. But it bogs down after a while, especially when it becomes clear that they're exhausting every possible way of not showing us a certain character's face. Nothing could live up to a buildup like that. One nice little plot twist, but detective story afficionados will guess it long before it's revealed. >MONSTER MANIA 1:15 p.m. (Documentary with Jack Palance). A repeat from 1992 >but lots of fun; mucho clips from horror flicks of yesteryear. I enjoyed the clips but found the commentary to be puerile and wrong whenever it was not merely stupendously uninsightful. Palance is always funny, however -- ever seen SHANE? >WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH 4:30 p.m. (1971, British, cast of unknowns >except for 1968's Playmate of the Year) Stop-motion animation, but no Ray >Harryhausen. Possible nomination for list of Ten Greatest Films Featuring Playmates of the Year for the Year in Which the Film Was Made? >TALES OF TERROR 6:15 p.m. (1962; Vincent Price, Roger Corman directed). >Trio of Poe tales. VERY funny film. Quite a charmer. >DIE, MONSTER, DIE! 11:35 a.m. (1965; British, Boris Karloff, Nick Adams). >Another HPL mish-mash. Did poor old Boris really need the money? I've heard bad things about this one, but I saw a few minutes once and it looked fairly interesting. Worth a glance, I should think. Certainly a terrific title, right? >HOUSE ON HAUNTED HILL 3:00 a.m. (1958; Vincent Price, Wm. Castle directed). >Great kitschy fun; Price has a haunted house party with his homicidal wife. Looking forward to this one. >THE REPTILE 4:20 a.m. (1966; British). What were they DOING across the pond >in the '60s? I've seen a bit of this one too, and would like to see more. Strangely . . . interesting. >WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH repeats at 9:45 a.m. (Like we needed this) Got to be the Playmate factor. Time to fire up the gas-powered VCR. Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:49:24 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest >This is a wonderful allegory. Note the name of Rennie's character and it >should all become clear. I forgot what it is!!--I only remember Gort's name! (I didn't see it in FAREWELL TO THE MASTER either). Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:14:24 -0500 From: Dianne E Rose <derose(at)SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG> Subject: Re: Personal ghosts I too have seen an animal ghost....I boarded a horse for many years at a farm that had been around since the turn of the century, and besides the horses they had several German shorthaired pointers and a non-descript Lab mix mutt that loved to sit on the corner of the farmhouse porch waiting for dinner. One night she was hit right in the farmyard and killed, and several months later I saw her several nights in a row, sitting back in her favorite spot, as if she was waiting for dinner. Spooky, but comforting in a way that Misty was still watching over the place... Dianne
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:41:46 -0700 (MST) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al. I have read, with considerable interest, the recent postings under this heading. They seem to have one thing in common; they are all, or nearly all, examples of what I call "deja-vu" phenomena, in which the subject repeats a sensory experience which has emotional significance to them (a favourite pet or an old friend is seen again, etc.) This, of course, brings up all kinds of interesting problems as to how the brain functions; we do not, for a start, see with our eyes, but with the occipital lobe of the brain. I expect that most of us have had the highly irritating experience of wondering where we have left our car keys, only to discover they are on the table in front of us, where one's wife or children triumphantly locate them. We must have observed them, but did not (as Sherlock Holmes terms it) 'perceive' them. The kind of ghosts - call them 'revenants' - that most correspondents describe, seem likely to be cross-linkages from the occipital to the temporal lobes (where, according to the popular text* I am consulting, most 'deja vu' experiences originate). They 'exist'** inside the brain, and are entirely personal - no-one else sees them. The story I related a year or so ago which occurred to my neighbour in the Isle of Man would be of this kind. But what of the *other* kinds (or Unkinds) of phenomena which are the staple matter of ghost and horror stories? Clearly these are something else altogether. They can cause physical and possibly psychological / spiritual harm, it appears. So, are there authenticated instances of such entities being "seen" or experienced by *more than one person at a time*? To relate this to H.P. Lovecraft's "Supernatural Horror in Literature". One basic theme of his writing is that Man is NOT supreme in the Universe; it does, and always will contain Beings to whom he is totally insignificant. I read his stories as a continuing series of fables which make this point, which is as valid as other, opposed ones. And therefore *all* supernatural stories of this kind (or Unkind) can be held as making the same point again. It is not that there are things Man was not meant to know - it is that there are things Man cannot affect by knowing them. I think this is enough for now. Peter Wood
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:13:48 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: personal ghosts revanant Peter hath pontificated perfectly: >The kind of ghosts - call them 'revenants' - that most correspondents >describe, seem likely to be cross-linkages from the occipital to the >temporal lobes (where, according to the popular text* I am consulting, >most 'deja vu' experiences originate). They 'exist'** inside the brain, >and are entirely personal - no-one else sees them. The story I related a >year or so ago which occurred to my neighbour in the Isle of Man would be >of this kind. > The brain holds more than we can retrieve- especially when we want to retrieve it! But how does the brain give me a smell, a sound, a feel, along with a look of a dog dead for years? Yes, I had 15 years of brain activity around this dog. But what is the trigger (sorry Roy and Dale!) that brings Hunny back to "haunt" me? Who knows? Ah, the mystery of life and non=life.... Thanks be to all who have contributed. Don't feel left out- All Hallow's Eve isn't for a couple of days. There is still time to ask around to friends and enemies for personal ghost stories. I've enjoyed them all. Thanks be to Peter for attempting to tell us we aren't "crazy" for seeing these things. Now just tell that to my sister who was freaked out when I told her about Hunny jumping on the bed *on top of Paula* and plopping down to sleep. Paula almost wanted to sleep on the floor the next night! <G> Linda Anderson
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:54:48 -0700 (MST) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: personal ghosts revanant A brief addendum to my posting; the popular text was R. M. Restak's "The Mind", written as an accompaniment to the PBS series "The Mind" in 1988. The ** after "exists" was the flag for a footnote in which I intended to say that I refuse, from lack of space and ability, to discuss the nature of "existence". Certainly no-one who "sees" a ghost in the way Linda describes can be described as "crazy", in my opinion at any rate. Once a set of sensory impressions is stored (and we have *no* idea *how* it is stored) in the brain, how and when its components are retrieved and re-viewed seems to depend on many different factors. Separately or in conjunction, their recall is triggered by all kinds of causes (the most famous being Marcel Proust's famous "A la Recherche de Temps Perdu", where the 'trigger' was a scent). The only response to anyone who says "It's all in your head" is to ask, politely "And where else could it be?" Peter Wood
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:08:18 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al.
At 07:41 PM 10/29/98 -0700, Mr. Wood wrote:
The story I related a
>year or so ago which occurred to my neighbour in the Isle of Man would be
>of this kind.
>But what of the *other* kinds (or Unkinds) of phenomena which are the
>staple matter of ghost and horror stories? Clearly these are something
>else altogether. They can cause physical and possibly psychological /
>spiritual harm, it appears.
Interesting post. Reminds me of the apocryphal quote by the old rube
who, upon hearing an explanation of Freudian psychology, said "ghosts inside
yer or ghosts outside yer....it's creepy either way!"
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Personal ghosts, "Supernatural Horror" et al. In a message dated 10/30/98 4:15:58 AM, James wrote: <<Interesting post. Reminds me of the apocryphal quote by the old rube who, upon hearing an explanation of Freudian psychology, said "ghosts inside yer or ghosts outside yer....it's creepy either way!" >> Thanks. Needed that. smiling, phoebe
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:53:56 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Re: CHAT: Re: AMC Horrorfest Deborah M-N wrote, regarding THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, >>This is a wonderful allegory. Note the name of Rennie's character and it >>should all become clear. > >I forgot what it is!!--I only remember Gort's name! (I didn't see it in >FAREWELL TO THE MASTER either). Rennie's character is named Carpenter. Best w's, S.T. Karnick ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #15 *****************************