In this issue: Re: Hallowe'en viewing Chat: Hallowe'en viewing Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: Hallowe'en viewing Re: Curse of the Demon Re: Hallowe'en viewing Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film more on H'ween movies Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott Personal ghosts Re: Personal ghosts Re: Mervyn Peake Re: Chat: Hallowe'en viewing Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film CHAT: Re: Personal ghosts Re: Personal ghosts Re: Hallowe'en viewing Re: Personal ghosts RE: Personal ghosts RE: Personal ghosts Re: RE: Personal ghosts Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion RE: Hallowe'en viewing Today in History - Oct. 28 Re: more on H'ween movies Re: Re: more on H'ween movies Re: Re: more on H'ween movies Re: Re: more on H'ween movies -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:48:08 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Hallowe'en viewing The Wolf Man Candyman phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:59:43 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Chat: Hallowe'en viewing >The Wolf Man >Candyman Great film choices...I am adding THE HAUNTING to CURSE OF THE DEMON since comparisons have been made. If not easily available surely the original CAT PEOPLE is. Anyone see the very strange sequel to CAT PEOPLE, THE CURSE OF THE CAT PEOPLE? Troubling for me forcing the kid to be 'normal'. The father continued to be unappealing after his rejecting his first wife in CAT PEOPLE (he didn't know she'd kill him, after all). But I loved the scene where the old lady reenacts the bridge scene from SLEEPY HOLLOW. Was that Ethel Barrymore I'm remembering? Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:15:08 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion In a message dated 10/27/98 4:09:56 PM, athan wrote: <<And heck, where else would I have learned the word 'eldritch'? The only other place I ever saw it (other than my own scribbles thereafter) was the novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" whose author I've forgotten...>> There is a very wonderful, poetic play by the Tony-award winning playwright Lanford Wilson called "The Rhymers of Eldritch." That makes two. phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:24:24 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Hallowe'en viewing yeah, but Lon Chaney Jr was going for a Tony award and he was in the movies at the time. angst city. I *did* like the ancient "morphing" effects. Although I liked the changing better in "Werewolf in London". Linda Anderson At 06:48 PM 10/27/1998 -0500, you wrote: >The Wolf Man >Candyman > >phoebe > >
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:19:06 -0600 From: smdawes(at)home.com Subject: Re: Curse of the Demon Probably "The Changeling", a 1982 ghost story starring George C. Scott, or "The Haunting". If I could find the reruns of "CBS Mystery Theater" on the radio dial in Omaha, Nebraska I'd listen to that, too. Marta Deborah McMillion Nering wrote: > > >>John Squire wrote: > >>>"Curse of the Demon", the movie based on M. R. James' "The > >>>Casting of the Runes". > > >This is an excellent film.... > >S.T. Karnick > > Thanks for this input and especially for the notification. I hadn't had a > chance to check the schedule for the weeks AMC spook film offering. This > is a movie I've been wanting to see for some years since hearing about it. > Two years ago Suncoast ran a special on old spook films and literally sold > all of these out and I haven't been able to find it since. It came around > on some of the premium cable stations (I think Showtime) and now, finally, > to a station I can see. I will be taping this and saving it for Saturday > night! > > Here's another question: what movie (if you choose a movie instead of > stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? We picked up HALLOWEEN TREATS, a > little cookbook with some adult fare in it, too, to experiment on as well. > > Deborah > > Deborah McMillion > deborah(at)gloaming.com > http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:41:44 -0500 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: Hallowe'en viewing >Deborah McM-N. asks: <<what movie (if you choose a >movie instead of stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? >> > > >The Mummy (1932) and >Nosferatu (1922) > >Patricia Being a Bela Lugosi fan I'd add Dracula, The Black Cat (Karloff vs. Lugosi in a strangling match /^o^/ ), or White Zombie to that list. Depending on my mood I might watch Hellraiser (such a funny movie; ROTFL lines) something Dr. Who like Pyramids of Mars, GhostLight, or Curse of Fenric or if I'm in a silly mood: Addams Family & the sequel and plenty of MST3K to choose from (probably Manos, Hand of Fate) I'll not be watching The Haunting this year since I'm planning to be reading it on Halloween *if* Waldenbooks gets it in in time. Might be a good time to start reading some Neil Gaiman books I've never gotten around to reading. Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:08 -0500
From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott
>The Vincent Price film THE HAUNTED PALACE is based on THE CASE OF CHARLES
>DEXTER WARD and is pretty good.
Forgot about that one, even though it's on my movie shelf. Not bad for
Corman. Vincent Price as usual is great but the underground scenes don't
come close in scale or horror.
>I do not like much of Lovecraft's work, and was especially bored and annoyed
>by IN THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, recommended by one of our fellow list
I like Poe's Narrative of Gordon Pym (sp?) so ITMOM is almost a sequel
at times. ITMOM is another story that isn't as a good read in the
uncorrected form. It's also a lot like the movie The Thing. Granted I first
read it while still a teenager which probably helps.
>members here. To me, the closer Lovecraft stayed to Providence in his
>stories, the better. I find interesting the conjecture that HPL would have
>become more regional had he lived longer. I think it quite plausible, and
>believe that it would have made him a better writer. Let's just put the word
>out there and admit it: HPL was terribly self-indulgent. I think that he is
>most interesting when he is being least overtly "creative" in language,
>settings, characterizations, and just about everything else.
And after leafing through Joshi's bio of him, I'd think he'd agree. He
was striving for more realism but found himself constricted by his own lack
of interest in "real-world" things and beginnings in pulp writing. He seems
to be a common point of reference/influence in so many writers since and has
been a pointer to so many previous writers who might otherwise be largely
forgotten. He did drop a lot of the early Dunsanian influence at about the
same Dunsany himself was.
>Yes, I see what other readers like about his exoticism, and those who enjoy
>Shiel, Dunsany, Smith, and the like may find in HPL much to please, but I do
>not think that Lovecraft's combination of literary tics and affectations
>makes for good literature when he indulges it to any great extent. (I know
>that I'm going to get in trouble for this, but I think that it's important
>to put this on the record.)
Hope you've got some Elder Signs on you hehehe (as I'm summoning a
humble Mi-Go to take you to Kadath; oops Azathoth showed up instead excuse
me while I lose 2d20 Sanity)
Actually I'm getting more interested in HPL the man than the stories at
the
moment. The Selected Letters are fascinating, in many ways a better read
than some of his stories. He wrote about 20,000 total! I find him quite
entertaining to read at the least. His sense of the universe being so much
bigger than we can comprehend and so alien is a bit of a change from (no
offense intended) ghosts and whatnot. (which is why it's taken me a while to
get back into reading ghost stories)
Funny thing about all of this is Lovecraft *hated* what he saw as
Victorian writing's ornate and artifical (unneeded) language. Considered the
18thc. an ideal. (read a Renaissance work on anything for comparison; they
really multi-task in writing compared to today) It could be worse, Clark
Ashton Smith memorized dictionaries and it shows. Gene Wolfe can be like
this as well.
>Best w's,
>
>S.T. Karnick
>
Kevin Clement
clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:34:28 -0500
From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com>
Subject: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film
> I note two exceptions in films that did not claim to be based on
>Lovecraft.
>The first was a low-budget Italian film supposedly set in Mexico, "Caltiki,
>the
>Immortal Monster" (1959). Like "Night of the Demon" it is a darkly shot,
>atmospheric b&w wonder. The F/X are truly awful, with wind up toy tanks
>climbing over miniature walls to battle the monster with friction spark
>"machine guns" firing at the end, but I would love to see it again. The
>other is
>a more recent film, whose title I am not sure of starring Sam Neil ["In the
>Mouth
>of Madness" or "In the Month of Madness"????]. It reminded me of Lovecraft
>
>filtered through Karl Wagner's "Sticks", a Lovecraftian story inspired by
>Lee
>Brown Coye, who was the "Weird Tales" illustrator who did a picture for H.
>R. Wakefield's tribute to "The Casting of the Runes", "He Cometh and He
>Passeth By".
There was a pretty good version of The Case of Charles Dexter Ward in
the early '90s (can't remember the exact title at the moment) that only
showed short, fast glimpes of the monster. Changed the doctor to a detective
but it was quite watchable. Karl Wagner RIP; Sticks is really good and
scary.
> Back to my muttering.
>John Squires
I prefer gibbering and mewling.
Kevin Clement
clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:49:14 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: more on H'ween movies Depending on my mood I might watch Hellraiser (such a funny movie; ROTFL lines) something Dr. Who like Pyramids of Mars, GhostLight, or Curse of Fenric or if I'm in a silly mood: Addams Family & the sequel and plenty of MST3K to choose from (probably Manos, Hand of Fate) I'll not be watching The Haunting this year since I'm planning to be reading it on Halloween *if* Waldenbooks gets it in in time. Might be a good time to start reading some Neil Gaiman books I've never gotten around to reading. Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com - --------------- has anyone seen the threequel of the Addams family with Tim Curry as Gomez? Linda Anderson
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:12:28 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film
At 03:27 PM 10/27/98 -0500,John Squires wrote
>Lee Brown Coye, who was the "Weird Tales" illustrator who did a picture for H.
>R. Wakefield's tribute to "The Casting of the Runes", "He Cometh and He
>Passeth By".
> Back to my muttering.
>
I recall the story, a bit dimly, but remember the illos for that
volume far better. As I recolleck, _Sleep No More_ had a Coye illustration
for Blackwood's "The Occupant Of The Room" that was so gawd-awful that when
I was younger I dreaded having the page accidentally open on it.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:29:49 -0600 (CST) From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net> Subject: Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott At 03:21 PM 10/27/98 -0500, wrote: > >S.T. Karnick > > > > > James Michael Rogers jetan(at)ionet.net Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:29:51 -0600 (CST)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott
At 03:21 PM 10/27/98 -0500, S.T. Karnick wrote:
>
>Yes, I see what other readers like about his exoticism, and those who enjoy
>Shiel, Dunsany, Smith, and the like may find in HPL much to please, but I do
>not think that Lovecraft's combination of literary tics and affectations
>makes for good literature when he indulges it to any great extent. (I know
>that I'm going to get in trouble for this, but I think that it's important
>to put this on the record.)
>
I agree. I find Lovecraft's stuff very puerile and clumsy, with
apologies to the many good people who love it. I make an exception for the
excellent "Colour Out Of Space" and parts of "Weird Shadow Over Innsmouth"
and "Dunwich Horror". "In The Mountains Of Madness" is one of those stories
that I have always found so stupefyingly dull that I could never
manage....and I tried repeatedly....to finish it. Fortunately for my self
- -respect, I found that the late Sam Moskowitz had the same problem.
For my money, both Dunsany and Smith had a grasp on the elemental
mechanics of writing (and, actually, a bit more than that) that almost
completely eluded Lovecraft - who seems to me to define the expression
"gifted amateur".
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:44:50 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Personal ghosts The last couple of years we have had a thread at times (and at this time of year) on personal sightings of ghosts. I've noticed a few new members of the group in the last 12 months and wonder if they have had any personal encounters of ghosts to tell the group this Hallowe'en season. My ghost came back this weekend when my mother and sister were visiting. They didn't see her, but believed me when I told them. It is of my late dog, Hunny, who insists on jumping up on the bed next to me, turning around and settling down. I not only hear her jump, but see her against the night light of the bathroom and feel her turn around and plop! as she settles down. As my sister was actually on the bed next to me, for some reason I didn't reach out and pet Hunny Bunch as I have in the past. Why now? I don't know. It isn't the anniversay of her birth or death. El Nino!! of course! why didn't I think of that? The History Channel and announcer Michael Dorn (Worf on Star Trek Next Generation and Deep Space 9) are doing a thing on ghosts around New Orleans. Right now they are doing boats. Before the commercial, it was a bed and breakfast that had the children and wife killed eating oleander in a chocolate cake. Now That is a recipe to die for. <G> Anyone know the LD50 of oleander and the active ingredient? And the catalog to order same from? <G> Linda Anderson
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:01:21 -0500 From: "A. Harrison/K. Mills" <radix(at)ican.net> Subject: Re: Personal ghosts My personal ghost is (or was) also an animal - a brown tabby cat. I have no idea who it was. She first showed up at my second apartment, though there I never really got a good look at her. Anyone who has cats knows how they drift quietly into the room and round your feet... I'd look around to see who it was, and hey, no one would be there. Or I'd even see all likely culprits (I had two at the time) peacefully resting in poses which they COULDN'T POSSIBLY have adopted in five seconds or less. She stuck around for several years. I moved to a new apartment with my then-boyfriend, and she followed us there, too. This apartment had a very long hall, which ran from the front door to the bedroom at the other end, the full length of the house. My cats, numbering three by then, loved it. They would gallop wildly from one end to the other, over and over. Then-boyfriend and I were sitting on the floor for some reason, in the living room doorway, which opened onto this hallway. We were sorting through CDs, I think. The cats were, as was their wont, chasing each other down the hall. Up and down they swept, a furry phalanx. They had all just stampeded down to the bedroom at the far end, when someone came rushing back and zoomed past us into the living room. We both saw her flash by, and looked to see who it was. No one. Then we looked back at the bedroom. All the cats had seen her too, and all three of them were looking at us from the other end of the hallway with huge cat eyes and bristling whiskers. They didn't seem upset, though. That was the last time I ever saw or felt her. Of course, the boyfriend and I broke up very shortly thereafter. Maybe she was really his ghost. Katharine Mills
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:09:53 -0600 From: R John Hayes <liardrg(at)telusplanet.net> Subject: Re: Mervyn Peake Roberts, Leonard wrote: > > I checked in the Rare Books Room of the UNCCharlotte library. They hold a > copy of Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark illustrated by Peake. They > also hold a copy of Titus Groan with a dust jacket illustration that he > created. > Sorry it's taken me so long to reply to this thread, but I wanted to say that I picked up a set of Peake's Gormenghast books published by the Folio Society in London a few years ago that have all the illustrations and are wonderfully attractive. I first read the books in the early '80s in the grey-covered Penguins, but the effect of the Folio edition is greater for these books than for almost any others I've read, perhaps because of the artistic bent of the author and the influence that his art had on his writing. If you can get the set at a reasonable price, and enjoy the books, I'd recommend it. Folio books turn up in used book stores often enough that you should have a good chance of seeing them, given time. Our local shop had one copy of this set when I went by on Monday. I'm sure they'd be available through the used book search engines on the Internet. Cordially, John - -- R John Hayes Devon, Alberta, Canada liardrg(at)telusplanet.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:15:28 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Chat: Hallowe'en viewing Cat People... hadn't thought of that one. The original I like better than the remake. But I have to say, the modern Candyman really scares me. Body Double does too. shivering, phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:06:18 -0900 From: Robert Raven <rraven(at)alaska.net> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Zozie(at)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 10/27/98 4:09:56 PM, athan wrote: > > <<And heck, where else would I have learned the word 'eldritch'? The only > other place I ever saw it (other than my own scribbles thereafter) was the > novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" whose author I've forgotten...>> > Phoebe, Philip K. Dick. A worthy subject of a discussion in his own right, but too recent for Gaslight. Bob Raven
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:47:04 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film Patricia, I wouldn't choose Nesferatu. There are a couple of great scares -- the clawed hand reaching down. What impressed me most from the film --SPOILER FRIENDS -- is the scene where the guy washes without actually removing his shirt. It's fascinating. I prefer the Bela Logosi Dracula, even though I cannot imagine those nice young women finding him attactive. best phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:50:15 -0600
From: Marsha Valance <tributefarm(at)MIXCOM.COM>
Subject: CHAT: Re: Personal ghosts
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Linda, I think I posted my personal ghost story, about Great-Uncle Lewis,
last year or the year before, so I'll just attach it this time.
My new "spooky" story is quite different. Last April a horse psychic phoned
my friend June (who had trained my horse Bobby, who was put down for cancer
in 1997) to tell her Bobby had contacted her and he was on his way back. In
June Bobby's full sister, Andy, foaled a bay colt by Chapel Hill Elijah.
Now Lije is a very prepotent sire, and all his offspring tend to look like
him--compact, typy, with gorgeous heads. Vance doesn't. Vance looks like a
bay Bobby. He's growing Bobby's long wavy mane and tail. He has Bobby's
ears and head. He moves like Bobby--he seems to have Bobby's personality. I
think I told you Lois M. Bujold says he reminds her of Miles
Vorkosigian--like Bobby, damaged in utero. My sister, who shows border
collies in herding trials, says Vance is a "border Morgan"--Bobby was
always compared to a golden retriever. Vance, at 3 1/2 months (the age when
Bobby injured his stifles) ran full-tilt into the haywagon and required 3
hours of surgery. (He's totally fine now.] When Bobby was put down, the vet
who ended his suffering said "he's not finished. He left too much undone.
He'll be back." Vance is the first colt of that bloodline to be conceived
since Bobby's death. An astrologer friend ran a chart and says, Vance could
be Bobby. Both June and I are starting to feel a little spooky about this
amount of coincidence.
So I guess my question is, is Bobby back?
!,! Marsha Valance
o : o Andy (Andre Norton), Tony (Tony Fennelly) & Vance (Jack Vance)
: Tribute Farm Morgans--old gov't/Lambert/WWF bloodlines
,:, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA <tributefarm(at)mixcom.com>
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> From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net>
> To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA
> Subject: Personal ghosts
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 8:44 PM
>
> The last couple of years we have had a thread at times (and at this time
of
> year) on personal sightings of ghosts. I've noticed a few new members of
> the group in the last 12 months and wonder if they have had any personal
> encounters of ghosts to tell the group this Hallowe'en season.
>
> My ghost came back this weekend when my mother and sister were visiting.
> They didn't see her, but believed me when I told them. It is of my late
> dog, Hunny, who insists on jumping up on the bed next to me, turning
around
> and settling down. I not only hear her jump, but see her against the
night
> light of the bathroom and feel her turn around and plop! as she settles
> down. As my sister was actually on the bed next to me, for some reason I
> didn't reach out and pet Hunny Bunch as I have in the past. Why now? I
> don't know. It isn't the anniversay of her birth or death. El Nino!! of
> course! why didn't I think of that?
>
> The History Channel and announcer Michael Dorn (Worf on Star Trek Next
> Generation and Deep Space 9) are doing a thing on ghosts around New
> Orleans. Right now they are doing boats. Before the commercial, it was
a
> bed and breakfast that had the children and wife killed eating oleander
in
> a chocolate cake. Now That is a recipe to die for. <G>
>
> Anyone know the LD50 of oleander and the active ingredient? And the
> catalog to order same from? <G>
>
>
> Linda Anderson
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Reply-To: storytell(at)VENUS.TWU.EDU, valance(at)OMNIFEST.UWM.EDU
To: storytell(at)venus.twu.edu, an396(at)FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU
My grandmother's oldest brother, Lewis, enlisted in WWI. Because he was a
mechanic, he wound up a motorcycle courier. In December 1918, just after
the war ended, he was headed up a hilly road in France when a farmtruck
loaded with produce heading downhill lost its brakes. Lewis and his
motorcycle were crushed.
This happened on a Monday. Lewis's mother, my great-grandmother Lena,
was in the basement doing wash. She was heading upstairs with a basket
of clean laundry when she suddenly screamed
"Lewis is dead!" and dropped the clean sheets on the stairs.
My grandmother ran to her, and was told Lena had seen Lewis at the head
of the stairs, waving goodbye.
The telegram came the next day.
This is the story as my grandmother told it to me.
My sister has the flag that covered Lewis's coffin.
Marsha in Milwaukee
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:10:56 -0500 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: Personal ghosts >The last couple of years we have had a thread at times (and at this time of >year) on personal sightings of ghosts. I've noticed a few new members of >the group in the last 12 months and wonder if they have had any personal >encounters of ghosts to tell the group this Hallowe'en season. Sorry I've not seen anything even remotely resembling a ghost. (now watch me eat my words while I'm finishing this email hehehe) Might have something to do with my belief in the affect of modern American culture. Similar to fairies retreating from towns full of "rational" people who don't believe fairies exist. Though I'm still holding on to the existence of the Sidhe (the Celtic version not just the little fairy stuff) especially after a visit to Ireland last year, ghosts...either my family's doing ok in the afterlife or I'd be haunted by: 2 grandfathers who I never met and would be glad to met them this side of the mortal coil my mom's mother my mom my first dog numerous friends who died way too young - -> all of the above I'd *really* like to see again; hasn't happened yet various fiends from the afterlife that I've probably managed to tick off (holdit that's not a ghost) The closest I've come is perhaps influence from something, but no specific source is apparent and it could be random factors, luck, fear, whatnot. Ok, *maybe* the sense of *somebody* several times, but then I've got an overactive imagination. I've even been to the Tower of London at Midnight, several castles, and other haunted locales. Even spent the night in a haunted castle in Ireland. No ghost sighted. Musta had too much Guiness that night. Hope someone else out there's seen a ghost recently. >Linda Anderson Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: TFox434690(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Hallowe'en viewing I would go with The Wolf Man. Tom Fox
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:49:12 -0600 From: smdawes(at)home.com Subject: Re: Personal ghosts I grew up in a haunted house; it was built around the turn of the century. It wasn't much of a ghost; just knockings on the floor and inside a closet, but when I was a child I was scared silly. One of the upper attic rooms was also a bit spooky. I tried to use one as a bedroom, but never felt comfortable enough to sleep in it. Marta Linda Anderson wrote: > > The last couple of years we have had a thread at times (and at this time of > year) on personal sightings of ghosts. I've noticed a few new members of > the group in the last 12 months and wonder if they have had any personal > encounters of ghosts to tell the group this Hallowe'en season. > > My ghost came back this weekend when my mother and sister were visiting. > They didn't see her, but believed me when I told them. It is of my late > dog, Hunny, who insists on jumping up on the bed next to me, turning around > and settling down. I not only hear her jump, but see her against the night > light of the bathroom and feel her turn around and plop! as she settles > down. As my sister was actually on the bed next to me, for some reason I > didn't reach out and pet Hunny Bunch as I have in the past. Why now? I > don't know. It isn't the anniversay of her birth or death. El Nino!! of > course! why didn't I think of that? > > The History Channel and announcer Michael Dorn (Worf on Star Trek Next > Generation and Deep Space 9) are doing a thing on ghosts around New > Orleans. Right now they are doing boats. Before the commercial, it was a > bed and breakfast that had the children and wife killed eating oleander in > a chocolate cake. Now That is a recipe to die for. <G> > > Anyone know the LD50 of oleander and the active ingredient? And the > catalog to order same from? <G> > > Linda Anderson
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:29:53 -0600 From: Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: Personal ghosts Thanks for the invite, Linda. My family is Catholic (Mattinglys go back to the Doomsday Book), and there was the famous story I was always told about the picture of Christ that fell when my grandmother died. As kids we always sensed this was a comfort to my mother, so we always said: "Oh my!" But my dad -- this is lovely, and in the old SPR compilation (Edmund Guerney and FWHMyers) "Phantasms of the Living", it would fall under the 'most reported' supernatural experience category. My father was very young when he lost his leg in WW2, and fate was especially cruel. He was the youngest of nine, and very close to his old mom. Just as he was beginning to recover in the stateside hospital, he was wheeled out on the sun-deck one morning and given a letter telling him she had died. Well, I always knew this story, but it wasn't until he was dying himself that he told me the rest. He told me -- and dad was a no-nonsense, law-and-order kinda guy -- that she had come to him as a vision when he was in and out of consciousness with his injury. She had stood before him and embraced him -- of that he was sure -- the very same day she died. With heart, Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse "If I tell you three parts of a thing you have no cause to complain. Seek one of three, and of three one will be there: for where there is body and soul, there is also Spirit and there shine salt, silver, and mercury. Trust my word, seek the grass that is trefoil. Thou knowest the name and art wise and cunning if thou findest it." ~ Waterstone of the Wise - -
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:36:16 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: RE: Personal ghosts I was very sad not to have any ghostly experiences in New Orleans (no oleander ladies, no ghosts of Betty Davis dropping urns on anyone at Houmas House) but perhaps it was because I was looking for them this time. This wasn't true in Savannah where I had either an extremely coincidental experience or I saw the local ghost in a restaurant known as the Pink House (recently featured in the lastest issue of Victoria magazine--no mention of any of their ghosts). A red haired waiter who is seen going by tables. I didn't find this out until two days after I'd eaten there and had a very rude red haired waiter walk by with the water pitcher and wouldn't answer my "excuse me's!" Most curoius that he should be so incredibly rude when everyone else there had been so incredibly solicitious. (Excellent place to eat if you're ever in Savannah). I was always told by my dad that if you're looking for a ghost you'll likely not see one. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Personal ghosts We have a ghost in our theatre at the Boston Conservatory. It has been seen at least for the last hundred years, infrequently, but the same dark figure in a top hat. It creeps along the walls right at the ceiling. I saw it, as did a couple of cast members, when I was directing Pirandello's Six Characters in Search of an Author, which (like the Scottish play) tends to bring gillies and ghosties out of the woodwork. At the time that I saw it, I didn't know the story of the ghost. When I reported what the couple of students and I had seen to the Chairman of the Department he smiled smugly and told me we were not alone. No one know who it is or why it is there. Seemed to be benign enough. But a little creepy late at night in an empty theatre. smiling phoebe
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:59:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: ronsmyth(at)idirect.com (Ronald Smyth)
Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion
On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:19:15 -0800, you wrote:
>Any Lovecraft fans out there? (What a silly question!)
>What two or three Lovecraft tales would you recommend to
>a person who has never read Lovecraft? I just found a cache
>of Lovecraft on the web at:
>
>http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/fiction/
>
>Patricia
>
My personal favourite Lovecraft from a limited reading is "The
Rats In The Walls". I'm thrilled to discover this archive to add to
my cyber- TBR pile. Having also found a cache of etexts of "The
Shadow" it is becoming obvious what the phrase information overload
really means.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:33:09 -0500 From: "Marcella, Michelle E" <MMARCELLA(at)PARTNERS.ORG> Subject: RE: Hallowe'en viewing Rosemary's Baby for me.
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:50:56 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - Oct. 28
1863
In a rare night attack, Confederates under Gen. James
Longstreet attack a Federal force
near Chattanooga, Tennessee, hoping to cut their supply line,
the *cracker line.* They fail.
1886
The Statue of Liberty, originally named Liberty Enlightening
the World, is dedicated at
Liberty Island, N.Y., formerly Bedloe's Island, by President
Grover Cleveland
1901
Race riots sparked by Booker T. Washington's visit to the White
House kill 34.
1904
The St. Louis, Missouri, police try a new investigation
method--fingerprints.
1919
Congress passes the National Prohibition Act, or Volstead Act,
named after its promoter,
Congressman Andrew J. Volstead, which provided enforcement
guidelines for the
Prohibition Amendment which had been ratified January 29.
Born on October 28
1910
Francis Bacon, English artist who painted expressionist
portraits
1914
Jonas Salk, U.S. scientist who developed the first vaccine
against polio
1955
William Gates, the chairman and CEO of Microsoft Corporation,
the world*s largest
software firm (not Gaslight, but at least one of his products
is probably involved here)
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:17:20 -0500
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: more on H'ween movies
Another old favorite movie of mine is also part
of AMC's monsterfest & will air Friday night at 10:00.
The best of the big bug movies from the fifties, "Them!"
boasts James Arness [the intelligent carrot from "The Thing"],
James Whitmore & Edmund Gwenn without his Santa suit.
Fess Parker has a small role [his first?], & you will recognize
others who would find fame later in other roles.
Despite the creaky mechanical monsters [which earned
an Academy Award nomination at the time] it remains an effective
thriller. But, I can't think of any gaslight excuses to be talking about
this one!
Best
John Squires
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:28:18 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies Yeah! Them!!!! I still remember that weird whine they make. Scared me when I saw it as a kid. But I remember wondering how the frightened heroine (she's a wimp) managed to keep her tucked-in-tight blouse so clean. hmmmmm phoebe
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:01:40 -0500
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies
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From: Zozie(at)aol.com <Zozie(at)aol.com>
To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies
>Yeah! Them!!!! I still remember that weird whine they make. Scared me
when
>I saw it as a kid. But I remember wondering how the frightened heroine
(she's
>a wimp) managed to keep her tucked-in-tight blouse so clean.
>
>hmmmmm
>phoebe
>
Well, she's not a complete wimp. She stands down the two heroes so she
can climb down into the ant's domain with them. She was the only one with
enough knowledge to recognize whether the young queens & drones had
flown the original nest before they gassed it. Within the context of the
flick
[& the fifties] a gutsy stance to take.
John Squires
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:52:28 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Re: more on H'ween movies Hey Phebes! I thought you were a "woman of a certain age" who might remember the 50's in real time and remember that "everyone" had clean, starched perfectly pressed clothing at all times during a movie or tv series. the men rolled up their sleeves with the best of coturiers. And Yancy Derringer swam the "raging Mississippi" and emerged with his hat on and completely dry! Linda At 06:28 PM 10/28/1998 -0500, you wrote: >Yeah! Them!!!! I still remember that weird whine they make. Scared me when >I saw it as a kid. But I remember wondering how the frightened heroine (she's >a wimp) managed to keep her tucked-in-tight blouse so clean. > >hmmmmm >phoebe > > ------------------------------ End of Gaslight Digest V1 #14 *****************************