Gaslight Digest Tuesday, October 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 013 In this issue: Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion RE: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: Old movie Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion A riddle Re: Non-Holmes Stories Re: Curse of the Demon Re: Curse of the Demon Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film Hallowe'en viewing Halloween moviesw Re: Hallowe'en viewing ASCII etext avail: Lovecraft's "Supernatural horror in literature" Chat: Ghost to Ghost (five hours of ghost stories) Lovecraft story recommendations Today in History - Oct 27 Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:37:42 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion In a message dated 10/27/98 6:41:30 AM, Bob C wrote: <<If it is overwhelmingly present in his book--as in the case of Twain--a film won't likely do the book justice: the unmistakable voice that is at the book's very core is gone, cannot be reproduced on film or stage.>> I agree with Bob C about Twain not translating well to film. However, I'm reminded of the wonderful "bio" of Twain that Hal Holbrook did so well on stage in the 1960's. His "Mark Twain, Tonight!" was a one-man show using Twain's words, as if he were Twain on one of his lecture tours. It was great! But, of course, it was a pastiche and not one of the novels, although he read passages from a couple. good memory. phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:41:21 -0500 (EST) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion In a message dated 10/27/98 7:03:08 AM, you wrote: <<People had to hear about Jane Austen somehow to be interested enough to read her works. The act of learning about an author or a work involves some interpretation of the work/author to a form that the potential reader will understand and spark interest. Whether it's word of mouth or watching a movie...>> In a similar vein, when the movie Amadeus came out and was wonderfully successful, sales of Mozart recordings soared. I personally know of two people who knew nothing about Mozart until they saw the film who have actually become concert-goers as a result of the stimulation of that film. Good sign in a perverse world. smiling, phoebe
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:47:53 -0500 From: "Richard L. King" <rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Peter and others: I'd say definitely Lovecraft is the most accessible of writers and he should be experienced in the original before watching some silly film--or even a good one, if there is such an item. (I say this even though I mentioned earlier my first experience with Lovecraft was when I heard "The Outsider" read on public radio, and I'm glad I did because it whetted my interest in reading him and learning about him when otherwise I may not have done so until Gaslight came along.) Lovecraft is one of those writers I wish I had read when I was perhaps 14 years old (same with Tolkein--I would have enjoyed him much more at that age than when I read him first in my twenties--perhaps I had the ability as a teen to really live fully in the world the writer creates), but I'd recommend the original over the filmic interpretation any time (not that it is necessarily always better--though usually it is), but because it is first. Besides, there hasn't been a good film made since G.W. Pabst's "Diary of a Lost Girl" in 1929? Richard King rking(at)indian.vinu.edu p.h.wood wrote: > I find John Squires' posting interesting, because to me it raises the > following question: > "If one's liking for author X follows from hearing a reading of X's work > by Y, or seeing a film or TV production starring Z (and A and B etc. > etc.), is the interest and liking for X, or is it really for Y (or Z)?" > As a case in point, consider the following T-shirt slogan which I saw at a > literary society meeting: > "I LIKED JANE AUSTEN BEFORE THEY MADE THE TV MINI-SERIES" > So, is one mark of a great, or even a good, author that their works need > no interpretation to be immediately liked and considered worth reading? > "Good wine," goes the proverb, "needs no bush" (for a green bush was the > sign of a wine-shop). Are HPL's works strong enough to stand on their own, > and not require interpretation by another performer to have a major impact? > I would think not (cf. my previous posting), but others may disagree. I > would be interested to read their views. > Peter Wood > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, JDS Books wrote: > > Patricia, > > I concur with the previous recommendations by Deborah & > > Peter, but have a fondness too for one of his minor stories, > > "The Hound". One of my first introductions to HPL was > > through Roddy McDowell's recording of "The Hound" & > > "The Outsider". His renditions still echo in my mind when I > > think of Lovecraft. > > Best, > > John Squires
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:11:53 -0500 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion >I think my first introduction to Lovecraft was when I heard "The Outsider" >read on a public radio program around 1980. I've gone on to read many more of >his stories (as well as the ill-viewed de Camp biography--I need to find the >Joshi one mentioned by Kevin Clement) but nothing of Lovecraft's has yet >measured up to "The Outsider" and its atmosphere of controlled doom. Make this >one your very first, Patricia. > >Richard King >rking(at)indian.vinu.edu > H.P. Lovecraft : A Life by S. T. Joshi if you can't find it locally, I'd order it through Necronomicon Press, who publishes it. http://www.necropress.com/ (don't work for them, just like them) That's the only way I could find it and they seem to be a nice company. de Camp's bio is like his "edited" versions of the Conan stories, not much like the original. Joshi's is very good, though at times he starts sounding like HPL, think he spent too much time researching his material. Speaking of the Outsider, Necronomicon Press has two audio versions of Lovecraft read by Erik Bauersfeld in the 70s. The Outsider & The Rats in the Walls as well as The Haunter of the Dark, about one hour each. Could this be the same thing? They've got realaudio excerpts for each tape. They've also got Dunwich Horror read by Robert Price and a tape of Clark Ashton Smith reading his poetry that I really want to get. Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:34:42 -0600 From: Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion I loved his "Dream Of The Unknown Kaddath" when I was young. A novel, pure Freemasonry in philosophical symbolism. Of course, I has no idea. Very unusual tale for Lovecraft. Very endearing. About the awe of seeing the 'face of God'. Ineffable? Mebbe not for Lovecraft. With heart, Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse "The function of the orthodox community is to give the mystic his desire."~Mansur al Hallaj - -----Original Message----- From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Robert Raven Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 5:57 AM To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion Patricia, Thanks for the website tip. A less famous Lovecraft story I quite like, in part because it's outside the Cthulhu Mythos (I like those, too, but I also like the offbeat) is In the Walls of Eryx. Bob Raven
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:44:53 -0500
From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com>
Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion
>So, is one mark of a great, or even a good, author that their works need
>no interpretation to be immediately liked and considered worth reading?
>"Good wine," goes the proverb, "needs no bush" (for a green bush was the
>sign of a wine-shop). Are HPL's works strong enough to stand on their own,
>and not require interpretation by another performer to have a major impact?
>I would think not (cf. my previous posting), but others may disagree. I
>would be interested to read their views.
>Peter Wood
>
Right after I replied last night I checked out Ain't It Cool News to see
if there was anything new on Babylon 5. Guess what I found, a big article on
a new movie based on Shadow over Innsmouth! Weird eh? Even has some neat
sketches. Granted the guy who runs AICN gets a bit excited.
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=2377
No idea if the movie'll be made or if it'll be any good but at least the
article states that every horror fan should read this story. Also makes a
case for basing more horror movies on tales from the 40's on back (& being
more intelligently made).
In this case I'd say it was interest in HPL and his stories that lead to
both the movie being made and the article being written. (though there has
to be some influence by horror movies in general)
Kevin Clement
clementk(at)alink.com
The movie I was thinking of last night is called the Lurker in the Lobby, a
compilation of shorts.
Check out http://www.tccorp.com/outsider/to_collect.html
or
http://www.abebooks.com/home/mythosbooks/
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:04:45 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion What Lovecraft to recommend? That's tough!! And I don't have lots of them in my collection anymore either... My original favorite was probably 'At the Mountains of Madness'--and a curious sidenote to this is the fact that a jazz band named 'Listen' performed a piece by this same name in the mid-70s; it was composed by Andy Narell. I have it on a tape made at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. Not to mention the 60s band who actually called themselves 'HP Lovecraft' and did tunes titled things like 'The White Ship'... what would ol' Howard have thought of that?? From there, I'd have to say 'Shadow Over Innsmouth' with its surprising ending is a fave, and also 'The Dunwich Horror'. Then there's 'Pickman's Model' with a shocker ending... Then there are the Dunsanyish tales... I can't remember all of the titles. I've always liked 'The Cats of Ulthar', though. I once knew a painter who illustrated some of these stories for his own pleasure... >Then I think for pure scares I'd go with COLOR OUT OF SPACE. This one >always makes me kind of scream when I see weird colored lights. Deborah, I may have my titles mixed up. Without any spoilers intended, is this the one that takes place on a farm which is later slated to be buried beneath a reservoir? >You've opened a real door here in personal taste. I know some people think >Lovecraft is overblown or too florid in his wordage but personally I love >the constant use of the word eldritch.... Yea, Deborah!! I don't care if he uses purple prose--his subject matter is pretty purple, too. I was introduced to Lovecraft's stories while in high school--the painter I mentioned above was my high school boyfriend :) and he knew I'd love the fantastic & creepy quality of those stories! And heck, where else would I have learned the word 'eldritch'? The only other place I ever saw it (other than my own scribbles thereafter) was the novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" whose author I've forgotten... athan ayc(at)uiuc.edu
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:18:37 -0500 (EST) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: Re: Old movie Greetings, John Squire wrote: >Last year there was a brief off topic discussion of "Curse >of the Demon", the movie based on M. R. James' "The >Casting of the Runes". This film is scheduled to be >broadcast on AMC Thursday, Oct. 29 at 10:00 pm >[Eastern time] as part of AMC's Halloween film "Monsterfest". Much thanks for the heads up! My VCR is all warmed up and raring to go. Donna Goldthwaite dgold(at)javanet.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:18:29 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion >the chances of a person watching the movie and reading HPL are next to >nil. I'd >wager most people who watch a movie inspired by HPL are probably >avid readers The only reason I watched any of the so-called HPL movies was because I'd read HPL and really hoped someone had caught some essence of him on film. So far this has not been the case. For me. I like ghost movies but not gross movies so I wouldn't have watched them w/o the HPL association. The original Pride and Predjudice made me dislike Jane Austen and now she is one of my favorite authors. The original IVANHOE made me live in fear of having to read the book and I loved the book. It doesn't always work for the movies. Deobrah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:28:23 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion > COLOR OUT OF SPACE. >Deborah, I may have my titles mixed up. Without any spoilers intended, is >this the one that takes place on a farm which is later slated to be buried >beneath a reservoir? Yes!!! >I was introduced to Lovecraft's stories while in high >school--the painter I mentioned above was my high school boyfriend :) Athan, I once did a painting of a woman with that Shadow over Innsmouth kind of face trying to make her as beautiful and creepy as possible. This was for college painting class. We were supposed to paint a "challenge". This was at the height of Pop Art and abstract expressionism (at least for the grad-student teachers). Amidst a sea of abstracts and shiny soda cans there was my piece of an Innsmouth lady. Silence. Stares. How sad. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:55:55 -0500 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion >I loved his "Dream Of The Unknown Kaddath" when I was young. A novel, pure >Freemasonry in philosophical symbolism. Of course, I has no idea. Very >unusual tale for Lovecraft. Very endearing. About the awe of seeing the >'face of God'. Ineffable? Mebbe not for Lovecraft. > Um, considering Lovecraft was a devout atheist, take a closer look at what the face of God looks like in this story. This is why I don't buy the Lovecraft-Crowley connection, Lovecraft was an *anti*-mythologist. He's probably spinning in his grave over The Cthulhu Mythos. Also go over what the city of his dreams resembles. (the key to the story) I do like it though. >With heart, >Deborah Mattingly Conner >muse(at)iland.net >http://www.iland.net/~muse >"The function of the orthodox community is to give the mystic his >desire."~Mansur al Hallaj > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >[mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Robert Raven >Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 5:57 AM >To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA >Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion > > >Patricia, > >Thanks for the website tip. A less famous Lovecraft story I quite like, >in part because it's outside the Cthulhu Mythos (I like those, too, but >I also like the offbeat) is In the Walls of Eryx. > >Bob Raven Agreed. Good for a change of pace from the Old Ones and similar to Bradbury in a way. 'Course it is a rewrite/collaboration with George Sterling, though Lovecraft did the bulk of the work I think. Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:56:11 -0500
From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com>
Subject: Re: H.P. Lovecraft's essay for discussion
>Francisco. Not to mention the 60s band who actually called themselves 'HP
>Lovecraft' and did tunes titled things like 'The White Ship'... what would
>ol' Howard have thought of that??
He probably would've been shocked at his influence. Read "The Music of
Erich Zann" if you've not already. He did play some music in his youth.
>>You've opened a real door here in personal taste. I know some people think
>>Lovecraft is overblown or too florid in his wordage but personally I love
>>the constant use of the word eldritch....
>
>Yea, Deborah!! I don't care if he uses purple prose--his subject matter is
>pretty purple, too. I was introduced to Lovecraft's stories while in high
>school--the painter I mentioned above was my high school boyfriend :) and
>he knew I'd love the fantastic & creepy quality of those stories!
>
I remember now. I first read HPL in 8th grade (Middle School) in a little
paperback collection. My English teacher that year was great. (also got me
to start writing poetry)
One of the interesting ways to read HPL is to go through his stories in
order and see his progression away from early Dunsany et al to proto-science
fiction and bring in more local color. He probably would've become more of a
regionalist writer as August Derleth did (his local stories are better than
his weird fiction) and as Robert Howard probably was starting to become. His
use of language got better too as he grew in his writing and in life.
>And heck, where else would I have learned the word 'eldritch'? The only
>other place I ever saw it (other than my own scribbles thereafter) was the
>novel "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch" whose author I've forgotten...
>
Philip K. Dick. The guy who saw God in a pink laser beam. (VALIS) Very good
writer though.
>athan
>ayc(at)uiuc.edu
>
Kevin Clement
clementk(at)alink.com
who's starting to wonder when the Gaslight Gods are going to show up and
pummel him with copies of Dicken's collected works and the complete Sherlock
Holmes because he's been talking about H.P. Lovecraft so much lately...
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:06:49 -0700 (MST)
From: John Woolley <jwoolley(at)dna420.mcit.com>
Subject: A riddle
Hey Gaslighters! There's a riddle in the "Miscellaneous Poems"
section at the back of _The Ingoldsby Legends_ whose answer
isn't given. I've been puzzling over it without success, so I
thought I'd submit it here.
My first is follow'd by my second;
Yet should my first my second see,
A dire mishap it would be reckon'd,
And sadly shock'd my first would be.
Were I but what my whole implies,
And pass'd by chance across your portal,
You'd cry, `Can I believe my eyes?
I never saw so queer a mortal!'
For then my head would not be on,
My arms their shoulders must abandon;
My very body would be gone,
I should not have a leg to stand on.
Any ideas?
- -- Fr. John
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:17:15 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Non-Holmes Stories Robert G., thanks for the Doyle non-Holmes references. I have requested a copy of the _Unknown Conan Doyle..._; I understand 33 previously unknown stories by Doyle are reprinted in this book. Interesting that Doyle never wished to republish them in his collected works. Thanks for the tips. So far I've identified approximately 160 non-Holmes short stories or novellas by Doyle; there are more than I imagined. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:05:53 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Re: Curse of the Demon >John Squire wrote: >>Last year there was a brief off topic discussion of "Curse >>of the Demon", the movie based on M. R. James' "The >>Casting of the Runes". This film is scheduled to be >>broadcast on AMC Thursday, Oct. 29 at 10:00 pm >>[Eastern time] as part of AMC's Halloween film "Monsterfest". This is an excellent film, even though slightly marred by a decision to show the monster at the end. (And even that does not detract from the overall effect of the film; it simply does not strengthen it, which it should.) Up until then, the film is quite suspenseful, and very quietly so, like James's writings themselves. Dana Andrews is an excellent and underrated actor who gives an excellent performance here; he effectively expresses both the persistence and anxiety necessary to move the story forward while engaging our emotions. Except for the decision noted earlier, director Jacques Tourneur refuses to talk down to his audience, eschewing tawdry shock tactics in favor of subtle hints and suggestions. (This is quite an accomplishment given the increasing liberties taken by filmmakers, especially in the horror genre, in the late 1950s. Even Hitchcock gave in to the temptation of sensationalism with his 1960 PSYCHO and had been moving in that direction at least since his remake of THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH.) Tourneur recognized that the esence of horror is not in startling a viewer, which any idiot can do, but to tease out the fears that are already in a person's mind. CURSE OF THE DEMON does that very effectively, and is a gem. Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:22:33 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Curse of the Demon >>John Squire wrote: >>>"Curse of the Demon", the movie based on M. R. James' "The >>>Casting of the Runes". >This is an excellent film.... >S.T. Karnick Thanks for this input and especially for the notification. I hadn't had a chance to check the schedule for the weeks AMC spook film offering. This is a movie I've been wanting to see for some years since hearing about it. Two years ago Suncoast ran a special on old spook films and literally sold all of these out and I haven't been able to find it since. It came around on some of the premium cable stations (I think Showtime) and now, finally, to a station I can see. I will be taping this and saving it for Saturday night! Here's another question: what movie (if you choose a movie instead of stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? We picked up HALLOWEEN TREATS, a little cookbook with some adult fare in it, too, to experiment on as well. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:21:51 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Re: Lovecraft, Austen, Scott Deborah M-N wrote, in part, >The only reason I watched any of the so-called HPL movies was because I'd >read HPL and really hoped someone had caught some essence of him on film. >So far this has not been the case. For me. I like ghost movies but not >gross movies so I wouldn't have watched them w/o the HPL association. The Vincent Price film THE HAUNTED PALACE is based on THE CASE OF CHARLES DEXTER WARD and is pretty good. I do not like much of Lovecraft's work, and was especially bored and annoyed by IN THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS, recommended by one of our fellow list members here. To me, the closer Lovecraft stayed to Providence in his stories, the better. I find interesting the conjecture that HPL would have become more regional had he lived longer. I think it quite plausible, and believe that it would have made him a better writer. Let's just put the word out there and admit it: HPL was terribly self-indulgent. I think that he is most interesting when he is being least overtly "creative" in language, settings, characterizations, and just about everything else. Yes, I see what other readers like about his exoticism, and those who enjoy Shiel, Dunsany, Smith, and the like may find in HPL much to please, but I do not think that Lovecraft's combination of literary tics and affectations makes for good literature when he indulges it to any great extent. (I know that I'm going to get in trouble for this, but I think that it's important to put this on the record.) >The original Pride and Predjudice made me dislike Jane Austen and now she >is one of my favorite authors. Does this refer to the 1940 MGM version? Cowritten by Aldous Huxley? That's a terrific film! How could it possibly turn one off from Austen? >The original IVANHOE made me live in fear of having to read the book and I >loved the book. Does this refer to the 1950s version that starred Robert Taylor? Again I'm amazed -- I find this film terrifically enjoyable. Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:27:45 -0500
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film
Since posting the heads up, I looked up some data on the film.
It was released in England as "Night of the Demon" in 1957 and is
aka "The Haunted". The director is Jacques Tourneur, who also
directed such classics as "Cat People" (1942),"I Walked with
a Zombie" (1943), and the 'film noir', "Out of the Past" (1947).
The distributor insisted that the film explicitly show the demon,
rather than just suggest its reality as the director intended, but most
of the film has been described as "an object lesson in atmospheric
horror", which is not a bad description of "Cat People" too.
And this leads me to the central problem in trying to successfully
transpose Lovecraft to film. I don't remember a single Lovecraft movie
which was good on its own terms, or which would have tempted me
to look up Lovecraft's fiction. I liked HPL's fiction enough to sit through
"The Haunted Palace", "The Shuttered Room", "The Dunwhich Horror"
& some of the far more graphic recent ones, but none of them seemed
worth the time to watch & would not have inspired me to read him for the
first time. Lovecraft's horrors were usually, as he said, indescribable &
are best conjured in the mind's eye, not by F/X on camera. [I admit to
being
impressed by Roddy McDowell's readings of two Lovecraft stories, but
those left all visualizations to me, just as if I was reading the stories
directly.]
I note two exceptions in films that did not claim to be based on
Lovecraft.
The first was a low-budget Italian film supposedly set in Mexico, "Caltiki,
the
Immortal Monster" (1959). Like "Night of the Demon" it is a darkly shot,
atmospheric b&w wonder. The F/X are truly awful, with wind up toy tanks
climbing over miniature walls to battle the monster with friction spark
"machine guns" firing at the end, but I would love to see it again. The
other is
a more recent film, whose title I am not sure of starring Sam Neil ["In the
Mouth
of Madness" or "In the Month of Madness"????]. It reminded me of Lovecraft
filtered through Karl Wagner's "Sticks", a Lovecraftian story inspired by
Lee
Brown Coye, who was the "Weird Tales" illustrator who did a picture for H.
R. Wakefield's tribute to "The Casting of the Runes", "He Cometh and He
Passeth By".
Back to my muttering.
John Squires
- ----Original Message-----
From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com>
To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: Old movie
>Greetings,
>
>John Squire wrote:
>
>>Last year there was a brief off topic discussion of "Curse
>>of the Demon", the movie based on M. R. James' "The
>>Casting of the Runes". This film is scheduled to be
>>broadcast on AMC Thursday, Oct. 29 at 10:00 pm
>>[Eastern time] as part of AMC's Halloween film "Monsterfest".
>
>
>Much thanks for the heads up! My VCR is all warmed up and raring to go.
>
>
>Donna Goldthwaite
>dgold(at)javanet.com
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:35:13 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Hallowe'en viewing Deborah McM-N. asks: <<what movie (if you choose a movie instead of stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? >> The Mummy (1932) and Nosferatu (1922) Patricia
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:17:05 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Halloween moviesw Deborah M-N writes, in part, >Here's another question: what movie (if you choose a movie instead of >stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? If the kids go to be early enough (impossible with all that sugar in them), I'll watch two very scary Hammer films: THE DEVIL'S BRIDE and DRACULA AD 1972. These two are so scary, they'll scare the pants right off your head. And I'd also like to watch a couple of Count Floyd episodes from SCTV -- DR. TONGUE'S 3-D HOUSE OF STEWARDESSES and the remake of MIDNIGHT COWBOY starring Dr. Tongue and Woody Tobias Jr. Woo! Scary! Another highly scary film: THE MIRROR HAS TWO FACES. That Barbra, she is one scary dame! Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:24:55 -0500 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: Hallowe'en viewing add the Lon Chaney "Phantom of the Opera" and I'll bring the popcorn! Linda Anderson At 12:35 PM 10/27/1998 -0800, you wrote: >Deborah McM-N. asks: <<what movie (if you choose a >movie instead of stories) will you watch Hallowe'en night? >> > > >The Mummy (1932) and >Nosferatu (1922) > >Patricia > > >
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:28:15 -0700 From: sdavies(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: ASCII etext avail: Lovecraft's "Supernatural horror in literature" The Mount Royal College website is functioning again so I've been able to retrieve a plain ASCII copy of this week's reading: H.P. Lovecraft's "Supernatural horror in literature" (1927, 1933 - 35). It's a large file (approx. 183 kb) so expect the mailer to break it into two parts. I have been getting an instant response from the aftp mailer. I hope the two-day delays we first experienced have been resolved. To retrieve the plain ASCII file, send to: ftpmail(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA with no subject heading and completely in lowecase: open aftp.mtroyal.ab.ca cd /gaslight get superhor.non or visit the Gaslight website at: http://www.mtroyal.ab.ca/gaslight/superhor.htm
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:34:50 -0500 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Chat: Ghost to Ghost (five hours of ghost stories) Just in case this hasn't been brought up before on this list... Art Bell's Coast to Coast show does a special Ghost to Ghost show on Halloween each year. Since Art's coming back tommorow Ghost to Ghost sounds like a go for Friday night (might be Saturday morning depending on where you live) 10/30/98 Fri/Sat: GHOST to GHOST Only Ghost Stories are Taken all Night Five hour total show (10pm-3am from Nevada) http://www.artbell.com/ Art Bell's website http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/ listen to the show online (you'll need RealPlayer 5.0) http://www.artbell.com/stations.html to search for a local station carrying Coast to Coast or Dreamland note: some stations don't carry the last hour my local station doesn't as the show starts at 1am http://ww2.broadcast.com/artbell/abell/9710/ab1030.ram?adurl=0000001e0000001 a00000000 last years Ghost to Ghost archived Kevin Clement clementk(at)alink.com
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:44:26 -0800 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Lovecraft story recommendations Thanks for the many Lovecraft recommendations. Richard, I just finished "The Outsider" and it was an excellent introduction to Lovecraft. Kevin, I plan to print your recommendations, based on the e-text list, and read them this evening....when it gets dark. Sadly, the remaining recommendations are not yet in e-text form (legal or otherwise), but at some point I'll give them a go. Stephen, this week's reading is very interesting; I'm reading with marker in hand, adding to my list of stories to locate. Patricia
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:19:56 -0700
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - Oct 27
1806
Emperor Napoleon enters Berlin.
1809
President James Madison orders the annexation of the western
part of West Florida.
Settlers there had rebelled against Spanish authority.
1862
A Confederate force is routed at the Battle of Labadieville,
near Bayou Lafourche in
Louisiana.
1870
The French fortress of Metz surrenders to the Prussian Army.
1873
Farmer Joseph F. Glidden applies for a patent on barbed wire.
Glidden eventually received
five patents and is generally considered the inventor of barbed
wire.
1891
D. B. Downing, inventor, is awarded a patent for the street
letter (mail) box.
1904
The New York subway officially opens.
1907
The first trial in the Eulenberg Affair ends in Germany. Prince
Philip Eulenberg is an
aristocrat and former diplomat who is an old friend of the
Kaiser's. Others were jealous of
Eulenberg's position. Maximilian Harden, editor of the magazine
Die Zunkunft, began to
print a series of articles in the fall of 1906 which alleged
that Eulenberg and other highly
placed men were homosexuals.
1917
20,000 women march in a suffrage parade in New York. As the
largest state and the first
on the East Coast to do so, New York has an important effect on
the movement to grant
all women the vote in all elections.
Born on October 27
1811
Isaac Singer, inventor of the sewing machine
1858
Theodore Roosevelt, 26th president of the United States who was
the namesake of the
*Teddy* bear
1914
Dylan Thomas, British poet whose works included "Portrait of
the Artist as a Young Dog"
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:47:28 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Old movie & Lovecraft on film > "Caltiki,the Immortal Monster" (1959). Oh no, I had forgotten this movie, and now it reminds me of the burnt stump movie, Tobonga. thanks The only Special Effect I ever cared for in a Lovecraft friend was Wilbur Whately's twin. That seemed to catch the Old Ones with just enough left out. Of course, Dean Stockwell as Wilber was a joke. >I do not like much of Lovecraft's work, and was especially bored and annoyed >by IN THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS...To me, the closer Lovecraft stayed to >>Providence in his stories, the better. Nope, loved this book. Sorry Sam--that whole description of the Antarctic and the furthest mountains, the true mtns. of horror the starpeople were even afraid of opened up worlds and worlds of wonders. The cold, the catacombs, the alieness of it, the whole story caught my imagination. I liked these better than the regional ones and am grateful that Lovecraft wrote across the board. For all the people who prefer the Dunsanian ones, they might agree, because I think that genre could have been left out altogether. > I think that he is most interesting when he is being least overtly >"creative" >in language Again--I'm glad we have the choice, because, no, no,no--I love the creative language. Loved it. I may not wish to write like it and may find it pretentious in other writers, but I loved it when Lovecraft did it. Maybe because he seemed to "set the style". It was just otherworldly and added to the effect. It's hard to narrow down Lovecraft's best. As other people have mentioned stories I got out my old, old dusty copies of Arkham house books and said No this one, No this one! Patricia, just get a book and start reading. With all the diversity on this list looks like you'll just have to make up your own mind on which genre is your favorite. The first story I ever read of Lovecraft's was "In The Vault"--10 years old, scared the bejeesus out of me. Yet it doesn't seem like his typical story. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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