Gaslight Digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 007
In this issue:
Re: Another Return: New Orleans
RE: CHAT: Re: Returned from Vacation
Re: Another Return: New Orleans
Re: Another Return: New Orleans
RE: CHAT: Re: Returned from Vacation
Re: Another Return: New Orleans
ghost stories
The Case of Mr. Lucraft
ghost stories
Re: ghost stories
One intriguing Plantation story
M. R. James Ghost Stories
Re: Returned from Vacation
Mervyn Peake
Re: Chat: Walter Scott
Re: Mervyn Peake
Re: Re: Mervyn Peake
Lady Audley's Secret
Re: Lady Audley's Secret
Chat: Bloody Scott
a videotaper alert ...
RE: Mervyn Peake
Re: Chat: Bloody Scott
Re: Chat: Walter Scott
Re: Chat: Bloody Scott
Steele's Out of Exile
a ghost story for everyone
RE: a ghost story for everyone
Re: Chat: Bloody Scott
Re: ghost stories
Re: Re: Chat: Bloody Scott
Today in History - Oct. 15
Re: a ghost story for everyone
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:23:51 -0400
From: JDS Books <jdsbooks(at)ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Another Return: New Orleans
Deborah,
Speaking of Mississippi ghosts, I presume you are familiar with
Clarence John Laughlin's haunting _Ghosts Along the Mississippi_
(1948)? A truly marvelous book of photographs, with commentary.
Kevin Clement may be interested to hear that Laughlin was another Shiel
fan. In 1982 he wrote me, "I like to think, sometimes, that if Shiel was
still
alive-- and had an opportunity to read the book -- that he might like the
way
it is written. Perhaps next year I may have a book on New Orleans -- it
will
be also in the romantic tradition."
I only got one further letter from Laughlin. Did he ever finish the New
Orleans
book? Does anyone know?
Still muttering to myself,
in Shadow haunted Kettering, OH
John Squires
- -----Original Message-----
From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com>
To: Gaslight <Gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 1:40 PM
Subject: Another Return: New Orleans
>Also returned from New Orleans and lucked out on the best weather in the
>world. Georges blew away the mosquitos and the recent rains cooled it
>down.
>
>Highly recommended to history buffs, you can satisfy travelling to a
>"different country" with all the French and Spanish influence and later
>English. History is everywhere, the Quarter, the Plantations, the
>encroaching swamps. Wonderful. Can't say I recommend the slanted
>"history" tours in the Quarter dedicated to Anne Rice but the real history
>tour is wonderful, not so much ghosts and vampires as an account of the
>rather grisly history of the area. Yellow fever is not kind to anyone.
>(The Pharmacy Museum is a nice follow up to the yellow fever stories--for
>the even more grisly "cures"). Stayed in a garconierre in the back of a
>Voodoo temple (not Marie Laveau's) that was actually very peaceful.
>Cemeteries, hard to even talk about, they were so atmospheric.
>
>As far as ghosts go the best feel was the swamps. Here you can imagine all
>kinds of primoridial creatures crawling out of the ooze and dripping up to
>your doorstep...Pere Mauvais, don't look now!
>
>One question: I kept hearing a reference to the "49'ers"? I assume this
>wasn't the great mining disaster in 1849 in California? Because of the
>weird time lapse I kept wondering is it 1749, 1849 or even 1949? Any idea
>of something in '49 in Louisiana?
>
>History and ghost buffs beware--more to see than you can fill one time.
>Oops, might have to go again. And, even better, found in one of the old
>bookshops a lovely book of ghost stories, black cloth cover with little
>white ghosts, circa 1952 that has a favorite, "The Water Ghost of Harrowby
>Hall" and others I didn't have. Lucky find. But sadly, no collections of
>local ghost stories except the "true" kind and those only in very modern
>volumes (Hans Holzer???). But I still have a few more of my own.
>
>Deborah
>
>PS: Are we reading the M.R. James story as a group?--or is it an extra?
>
>
>Deborah McMillion
>deborah(at)gloaming.com
>http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:34:07 -0500 (CDT) From: brentb(at)webtv.net (Brent Barber) Subject: RE: CHAT: Re: Returned from Vacation Hey ya'll (said with appropriate twang), thanx for your warm embrace of my idiosyncratic rants. This almost feels like family. BTW, the pics are of my bro and his daughter, my neice. I have a larger web site that was Yahoos pick of the week a couple years ago, with over 100G visitors now. I put this page together for my girlfriend in New Mexico and haven't bothered to link em together. If I were as sardonic and witty as Twain, I would be, though it would be hard to penetrate the current youth culture of hip irony and droll sarcasm, which operates as a formulaic sheild and pre-emptive strike against true wit. Listen to me; ah the kids these days . . and I'm only 35! BB http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:38:17 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Another Return: New Orleans >Deborah, > Speaking of Mississippi ghosts, I presume you are familiar with >Clarence John Laughlin's haunting _Ghosts Along the Mississippi_ >(1948)? A truly marvelous book of photographs, with commentary. I do own a very marvelous old copy of this book. It's a classic. It's also interesting to see some of these plantations in the state he took them then, like Oak Alley, and see them now, many of them restored. Many of them gone for good though. There is a new book out on Laughlin that has a sampling of several of his images, HAUNTER OF RUINS. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:58:45 -0500 From: "Richard L. King" <rking(at)INDIAN.VINU.EDU> Subject: Re: Another Return: New Orleans Are we having any ghost stories for Halloween on Gaslight this year? Richard Deborah McMillion Nering wrote: > >Deborah, > > Speaking of Mississippi ghosts, I presume you are familiar with > >Clarence John Laughlin's haunting _Ghosts Along the Mississippi_ > >(1948)? A truly marvelous book of photographs, with commentary. > > I do own a very marvelous old copy of this book. It's a classic. It's > also interesting to see some of these plantations in the state he took them > then, like Oak Alley, and see them now, many of them restored. Many of > them gone for good though. There is a new book out on Laughlin that has a > sampling of several of his images, HAUNTER OF RUINS. > > Deborah > > Deborah McMillion > deborah(at)gloaming.com > http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:23:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: RE: CHAT: Re: Returned from Vacation
At 10:51 AM 10/14/98 -0500, Brent Barber wrote:
>
>Having been roundly and adequately chastised, I humbly concede that the
>provincialism I decry may indeed be a function of my own myopia. Can't a
>fellow get away with a little grumbling anymore? I guess the problem is
>that I am not enough connected to the local culture, and perhaps judge
>the larger populace through the prism of the media. Every time I stumble
>onto the local networks I wince at the insular presumption, the insipid
>blank stares and patronizing drone. The only paper in town (Daily
>Oklahoman) is owned by a land baron named Gaylord who owns most of
>downtown and publishes his raving right wing rants on the front page of
>every edition. Now that's some journalistic objectivity for ya. Somehow
>the availability of chicken gizzards at the local mart doesn't quite
>make up for it all. Maybe I need to get out more and, camaflogued in
>boot and hat, mingle amongst the common folk, covertly ascertaining
>their true merit. BB
>
My own "connectedness" came after a lifetime of attempting to
escape to New York and other places. Instead of grumbling, I was in Edward
Munch territory. So yes, grumble away. My travels have thus far confirmed
that Gaylord's newspaper is the most right wing in the country, eclipsing
even the rabid Manchester Union-Leader, and is easily the most ineptly
edited of papers.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:26:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Another Return: New Orleans
At 02:58 PM 10/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Are we having any ghost stories for Halloween on Gaslight this year?
>
>Richard
>
Didn't you see "Episode of Cathedral History" the other day? Good 'un.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:31:35 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: ghost stories >Are we having any ghost stories for Halloween on Gaslight this year? Well...if anybody wants 'modern' gaslight, feel free to me for my own personal attempt at a 'ghost story'--Bob Champ read it awhile back & appeared to enjoy it, if y'all need a recommendation... It's set in the early 1900s, in Japan, and purports to be the true tale of the last days of Lafcadio Hearn... Athan (who had lots of fun doing the reading necessary to write this story!) ayc(at)uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:53:52 -0500 From: Deborah Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: The Case of Mr. Lucraft I loved The Case of Mr Lucraft. Nice intimate style. Timeless. On another list, we have been talking about Jungian influences in AA and some recovering alcoholics have come forth from the shadows, as it sometimes seems, to enlighten us. Irony. (Or rather, 'Synchronicity' to the initiates.) So here is this story that speaks of all appetite as life longing for itself. Clever little tale that is more instructive and -- in its way -- more honest about alcoholism and excess than all the fire and brimstone, and marching little ladies ever (in their road-paving good intentions!) could be. Thanks. I'm going to open that Barolo at dinner. Maybe before: it needs to breathe. Beware the noyeau punch! (All haste is of the devil) Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse "That which is creative must create itself" ~John Keats
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:15:42 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: ghost stories >>Are we having any ghost stories for Halloween on Gaslight this year? >>Richard > Didn't you see "Episode of Cathedral History" the other day? Good 'un. Absolutely but are we reading any as a group, is this being read as a group, as you might guess Richard and I want to read some ghost stories as a group. Especially for Hallowe'en. I've read James backwards and forwards but recently reread "Mr Humphries Inheritance" and still got scared. But reading it on my own, which is great, and with the group are two different th ings. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:32:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: ghost stories
At 02:15 PM 10/14/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Are we having any ghost stories for Halloween on Gaslight this year?
>>>Richard
>
>> Didn't you see "Episode of Cathedral History" the other day? Good 'un.
>
>Absolutely but are we reading any as a group, is this being read as a
>group, as you might guess Richard and I want to read some ghost stories as
>a group. Especially for Hallowe'en. I've read James backwards and
>forwards but recently reread "Mr Humphries Inheritance" and still got
>scared. But reading it on my own, which is great, and with the group are
>two different th ings.
>
>Deborah
/>
I wouldn't mind either. Just re-read de la Mare's "All Hallows"
and Blackwood's "The Willows" over the past two nights....they still work
for me. I forget who just mentioned Jung, but "The Willows" has just a touch
of the Jungian to it. Always ready to discuss M.R. James, though I suppose
the usual "no spoiler' rule applies.
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:32:01 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: One intriguing Plantation story Lloyd (or Loyd) Hall has a painting hanging of a young woman sitting on a coffin. It has an interesting story. Seems the parents of this young woman were upset when her widower planned to remarry, even though he had waited more than a decent amount of time. No matter to them--their daughter was irreplaceable. So for a wedding gift they had a portrait done of their dead daughter on her coffin and gave it to the new couple. Interestingly enough, they didn't hide it in the attic or toss it out. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Donna Goldthwaite <dgold(at)javanet.com> Subject: M. R. James Ghost Stories Greetings, I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but, since the witching time is almost upon us, there is a web site devoted to the ghost stories of M.R. James -- by Frank Adey -- at: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~fadey/mrjframes.html This is frames-based, and includes a link to other ghost stories, where our own Gaslight gets prominent mention. For those who can't track down a James for Halloween, this is the place. Enjoy! Donna Goldthwaite dgold(at)javanet.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:28:27 -0700
From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu>
Subject: Re: Returned from Vacation
Kevin writes: <<Civil War or Western/Frontier? IMO, while the reenacter ACW
cavalry
*look* great they usually aren't as good controlling their horses.
('course this is accurate for the North and may just be local groups)
I've seen several infantry units almost get run over by their own cavalry.
I do like seeing/hearing canon fired though. A pound of powder per shot
makes lotsa noise and smoke. >>
Western/Frontier dating to the late 1860s - early 1870s when Custer and
Sheridan were in OK territory. This gathering was so small there was not
much chance of running each other over, however, several riders were
rather expert. The canon was the best, since firing and loading were explained
and demonstrated. My uncle from Louisville, KY highly recommends the
reenactment of the battle of Perryville, KY with thousands on horseback.
Have you seen this?
best regards,
Patricia
Patricia A. Teter
PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ginger Johnson <ferret(at)eskimo.com>
Subject: Mervyn Peake
The Ballantine editions published in the early 70s do have Peake's
illustrations - wonderful things. He also illustrated Treasure Island in
a frightening manner.
Ginger Johnson
"An oyster may be crossed in love."
- Sheridan
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 16:15:52 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Chat: Walter Scott Some time ago James R. wrote: <<Under the influence of the recent network airing of _Rob Roy_, I recently began to read the Scott novel of the same name. Previously, all that I had encountered of this author were some of the poetry and _Ivanhoe_ which latter I found rather a stiff and dull book. I was quite surprised, therefore, to discover that _Rob Roy_ is a very amusing and funny book. So why has Scott fallen into such critical disrepute over the years? At the moment I feel encouraged to read more of him.>> Thanks for the recommendation, James. I have been dismayed that Scott has fallen into relative obscurity. He was the most popular novelist of his day, and greatly influenced both Balzac and Tolstoy. Today, his plots seem overblown and unrealistic, and a tad too romantic, but his work should not be overlooked. I find it difficult to purchase a new edition of his work, other than the novels which have been made into films, these days. I enjoyed reading the short story by Scott during our trip to Scotland in June. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:45:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Mervyn Peake
At 04:20 PM 10/14/98 -0700, Ginger Johnson wrote:
>The Ballantine editions published in the early 70s do have Peake's
>illustrations - wonderful things. He also illustrated Treasure Island in
>a frightening manner.
>
My Ballantine copy of Titus Groan_ doesn't have any illos, IIRC. I do
have a couple of them reproduced in a biography of Peake and I'll agree that
they are a little disturbing. In fact, they made me wonder just a bit about
his emotional health....sort of that weird, off-kilter Diane Arbus feel.
(I wonder where the expression "off-kilter" stems from)
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:16:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Kujen(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Mervyn Peake kilter (k l2t?r) n. Good condition; proper form.
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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:32:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Lady Audley's Secret Dear Gaslighters... Lady Audley's Secret opened tonight. Torrential rains in the early evening so the house was smaller than I would have liked ... but... but... It did what I had hoped and always thought: it played! The audience was absolutely enthralled. We did an honest straight-forward, emotional production, using drops and wings and live piano music (it was terrific). They loved the play --- and yes there were some laughs. Hard not to laugh when George Talboys goes headfirst down the well... But fewer than I dared even hope. They got suckered into the drama of it. Amazing. This is a small liberal arts college. Acting was uneven, to be sure, but the leads were excellent and the young actress (Cristina Zaccheo) playing Lady Audley is extremely talented and a dream to work with... We didn't spoof it. We played it with high energy and high emotion and absolute commitment to everybody's "truth." And it worked. Whew! I've wanted to do this play for 20 years and have always felt if you just "played the play" that audiences would love it for what it was. Feel proud and vindicated for my trust in a creaky old piece of theatre. And very proud of a young and dedicated cast. Thought this response would interest you. We have three more performances. And of course, I suspect that with bigger houses people may laugh more than they did tonight. But the antique still has a lot of good juice. A tired and happy phoebe
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 01:23:19 -0700
From: Robert Birchard <bbirchard(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lady Audley's Secret
Zozie(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Dear Gaslighters...
>
> Lady Audley's Secret opened tonight. Torrential rains in the early evening so
> the house was smaller than I would have liked ... but... but...
>
> It did what I had hoped and always thought: it played!
Congratulations on a job well done. The secret is to play the stuff
straight--even while resorting to antiquated staging and acting
techniques. The play is certainlly strong enough to hold the audience
if the actors respect the author's intentions.
Theatrical conventions change, and the Victorian melodrama has come
in for its share of parody over the years, but there is a reason why
plays like "Lady Audley's Secret," "Blue Jeans," "Under The Gaslight,"
"Way Down East," et. al. were so popular.
Victorian audiences were not addle-pated. They recognized the multi
levels that lifted such plays out of the ordinary--human observations,
political comment, social satire, and a bit of action and romance all
packaged for maximum impact.
Cecil B. DeMille was an exponent of the latter day "Belasco
tradition" which grew out of the old melodramas, and it is one of the
reasons his films were so popular with audiences. If you want to see
late 19th/early 20th century theater take a look at DeMille's 1956 "The
Ten Commandments." Yes, the actors perform in the "grand manner" but
there is much more going on than is apparent on the surface. His "The
Greatest Show on Earth" (1953) also has many echoes of Victorian
theater, as does "Unconquered" (1947).
- --
Bob Birchard
bbirchard(at)earthlink.net
http://www.mdle.com/ClassicFilms/Guest/birchard.htm
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:56:42 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)javanet.com> Subject: Chat: Bloody Scott From EX LIBRIS Confessions of a Common Reader By Anne Fadiman. 162 pages. Farrar, Straus & Giroux. Reviewed in today's New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/10/11/daily/reader-book-review.html) "One day, when Sir Walter Scott was out hunting, a sentence he had been trying to compose all morning suddenly leapt into his head. Before it could fade, he shot a crow, plucked a feather, sharpened the tip, dipped it in crow's blood, and captured the sentence." - -------------------------- Personally, I carry an Optimus DR-10, Four-minute digital recorder (Radio Shack Cat. No. 14-1114. Sized between a pager and a flip-phone, three buttons, no tape and the crows love it. Cheers, Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------- James E. Kearman mailto:jkearman(at)javanet.com http://www.javanet.com/~jkearman Why do you wander further and further? Look! All good is here. Only learn to seize your joy, For joy is always near. --Goethe
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:40:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Peter E. Blau" <pblau(at)dgs.dgsys.com> Subject: a videotaper alert ... "FairyTale: A True Story" (1997) will be broadcast on HBO cable on Oct. 19 at 4:00 pm, and it will repeat on Oct. 29 and Oct. 31. It's an excellent film, with some fine acting by Peter O'Toole (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) and Harvey Keitel (Harry Houdini) and others, about the Cottingley fairies and the two girls who photographed them (according to the film, the fairies were real, and the photographs faked). And it's just within the Gaslight time limits . . . || Peter E. Blau <pblau(at)dgs.dgsys.com> || || 3900 Tunlaw Road NW #119 || || Washington, DC 20007-4830 || || (202-338-1808) ||
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:08:13 -0400 From: "Roberts, Leonard" <lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu> Subject: RE: Mervyn Peake I checked in the Rare Books Room of the UNCCharlotte library. They hold a copy of Lewis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark illustrated by Peake. They also hold a copy of Titus Groan with a dust jacket illustration that he created. Len Roberts lroberts(at)email.uncc.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Ginger Johnson [SMTP:ferret(at)eskimo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 7:21 PM > To: gaslight listserv > Subject: Mervyn Peake > > The Ballantine editions published in the early 70s do have Peake's > illustrations - wonderful things. He also illustrated Treasure Island in > a frightening manner. > > Ginger Johnson > > "An oyster may be crossed in love." > - Sheridan
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:51:59 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" <skarnick(at)INDY.NET> Subject: Re: Chat: Bloody Scott James Kearnan wrote, in response to learning about Sir Walter Scott's unusual writing implement, >Personally, I carry an Optimus DR-10, Four-minute digital recorder (Radio >Shack Cat. No. 14-1114. Sized between a pager and a flip-phone, three >buttons, no tape and the crows love it. Given his ethnic background, Scott was a very thrifty man, and it is well-known that a dead crow is much less expensive than a digital recorder. Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:04:32 -0600 From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> Subject: Re: Chat: Walter Scott >>> Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> 10/14 5:15 PM >>> <Thanks for the recommendation, James. I have been dismayed that Scott has fallen into relative obscurity. He was the most popular novelist of his day, and greatly influenced both Balzac and Tolstoy. > It has also been said that he caused the American Civil War ... <Today, his plots seem overblown and unrealistic, and a tad too romantic, but his work should not be overlooked. > ... by instilling 19th century youth with the idea that war was romantic (after the War, of course, Stephen Crane tried to puncture this notion in _The Red Badge of Courage_, but didn't quite succeed, IMHO - RBOC is still romantic). But Romance of that kind is what I'm after, and having grown up with news footage and photos of Vietnam, I know it's only to be found in Scott and Scottesque novels, wargames, and living history (as someone else said here, it's as close as I want to get to the real thing). < I find it difficult to purchase a new edition of his work, other than the novels which have been made into films, these days.> I haven't noted the year of the edition, but a Signet trade-paperback copy of _Rob Roy_ (unfortunately, the mall bookshop I was in didn't have it in hardback) is my souvenir of a 1996 visit to Edinburgh - particularly good since the next day we went up into the Trossachs, RR's stomping grounds. I remembered some of those villages in the book when I read it. And it _was_ funny - I think I would cast Hugh Laurie as the narrator. I couldn't really relate it to the movie, though; I think Scott and the screenwriter (as well as the screenwriter for Disney's 1950's version) were simply drawing from the same legend. Jerry Carlson gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:04:37 -0700 From: Deborah McMillion Nering <deborah(at)gloaming.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Bloody Scott >Given his ethnic background, Scott was a very thrifty man, and it is >well-known that a dead crow is much less expensive than a digital recorder. Ah, but a true Scot would know that "cost per wear" formula. It is true that crows are "free" but the shot to kill them isn't. How much that adds up to, the availability of crows when you actually get an idea (in the city this might be frowned on), and what you have to write it down on (paper kept in the pocket, why not a pen?) all are things to be concerned about. The digital recorder is convenient, portable (can be taken anywhere, any situation) and can be REUSED. Sorry, but as another Scot, this has far more appeal than worrying if I can actually locate some kind of "vermin" bird for use. Deborah Deborah McMillion deborah(at)gloaming.com http://www.gloaming.com/deborah.html
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:30:14 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Steele's Out of Exile Steele's "Out of Exile" is an excellent story of two brothers courting the same woman. The story, which unfolds layer by layer, includes dueling, revenge, wreckers and some great characters on the side, Rolldown and Miah. Has anyone read anything else by Steele? This is my first introduction to the author. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:57:21 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: a ghost story for everyone Deborah has given the list a Halloween present in the form of a ghost story which can be read at: http://www.iland.net/~muse/LastGhost.htm It looks beautiful, Deborah! I hope everybody enjoys this story, which, although written recently, hopes to capture the spirit of our gaslight era. All comments welcome! athan ayc(at)uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:16:48 -0500 From: Deborah Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: a ghost story for everyone Thank YOU, Athan. It is a lovely story. Anyone remember kindred myths? I think of the blue willow china favored by Whistler and Rossetti, and the story it tells. Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse "That which is creative must create itself" ~John Keats
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:59:08 -0600 (MDT) From: "p.h.wood" <woodph(at)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Chat: Bloody Scott Indeed yes; shooting is a most uneconomic sport. As the Scots owner of a grouse-moor observed, for every cartridge fired "Bang goes saxpence, and doon comes a bloody half-croon in costs." The epithet is not a mere intensive, but to be taken literally. But then most sports are an appalling waste of money. I believe it was Sir Francis Chichester who said that one could reproduce most of the sensations of deep-sea yacht-racing by standing under an ice-cold shower at two in the morning, tearing up twenty-pound notes... Peter Wood
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: ghost stories sounds like fun... phoebe zozie(at)aol.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:18:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Chat: Bloody Scott In a message dated 10/15/98 9:07:10 PM, Peter W wrote: <<I believe it was Sir Francis Chichester who said that one could reproduce most of the sensations of deep-sea yacht-racing by standing under an ice-cold shower at two in the morning, tearing up twenty-pound notes...>> That's wonderful! Actually, if Sir Walter really wanted to be frugal (and humane) he could have used his own blood and a wee stick! lightly, phoebe
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:35:03 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - Oct. 15
1813
During the land defeat of the British on the Thames River in
Canada, the Indian chief
Tecumseh, now a brigadier general with the British Army (War
of 1812), is killed.
1863
For the second time, the Confederate submarine H L Hunley
sinks during a practice dive
in Charleston Harbor, this time drowning its inventor along
with seven crew members.
1878
Thomas A. Edison founds Edison Electric Light Co.
1880
Victorio, feared leader of the Minbreno Apache, is killed by
Mexican troops in
northwestern Chihuahua, Mexico.
1892
An attempt to rob two banks in Coffeyville, Kan., ends in
disaster for the Dalton gang as
four of the five outlaws are killed and Emmet Dalton is
seriously wounded.
1894
Captain Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish army officer, is arrested for
betraying military secrets to
Germany.
1914
Congress passes the Clayton Anti-Trust Act, which labor leader
Samuel Gompers calls
"labor's charter of freedom." The act exempts unions from
anti-trust laws; strikes,
picketing and boycotting become legal; corporate interlocking
directorates become illegal,
as does setting prices which would effect a monopoly.
Born on October 15
1820
Florence Nightingale, hospital reformer.
1830
Helen Hunt Jackson, writer and poet.
1844
Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher and writer.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:28:08 -0500 (CDT) From: brentb(at)webtv.net (Brent Barber) Subject: Re: a ghost story for everyone - --WebTV-Mail-754525727-571 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Nicely done Athan! Very evocative, transporting and sensual. Your poetic descriptions of nature and setting have a lingering hold on the mind, perfectly setting the mood for the tale. I also found the storyteller intriguing and wanted to know more about him and his gentle embrace of the Japanese culture. The only comment I would make concerns the willow-maiden. It would have been nice to learn more about her tale and the circumstances that led to her fate. But then ghosts are mysterious, I suppose. BB http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html - --WebTV-Mail-754525727-571 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.91]) by postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id LAA05702; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by mailsorter-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id LAA02912; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (ns.mtroyal.ab.ca) by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with ESMTP id <0F0V0032WRBNW0(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for brentb(at)webtv.net; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root(at)localhost) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01628 for gaslight-list; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:59:45 -0600 Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01625 for <gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:59:44 -0600 Received: from staff1.cso.uiuc.edu by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with ESMTP id <0F0V003ZNR7NW0(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:57:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [128.174.144.22] (jazz.dance.uiuc.edu [128.174.144.22]) by staff1.cso.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20761 for <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:57:21 -0600 From: athan chilton <ayc(at)UIUC.EDU> Subject: a ghost story for everyone In-reply-to: <Pine.A41.3.95.981013213322.60754A-100000(at)fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> "References:" <"001001bdf723$06b6c800$855a1ed0"(at)deb-home> Sender: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA X-Sender: ayc(at)staff.uiuc.edu To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Reply-to: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Message-id: <v0310280ab24be6b56d26(at)[128.174.144.22]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Precedence: bulk Deborah has given the list a Halloween present in the form of a ghost story which can be read at: http://www.iland.net/~muse/LastGhost.htm It looks beautiful, Deborah! I hope everybody enjoys this story, which, although written recently, hopes to capture the spirit of our gaslight era. All comments welcome! athan ayc(at)uiuc.edu - --WebTV-Mail-754525727-571--
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