Gaslight Digest Tuesday, October 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 005 In this issue: Chat: Sunday London Times Articles Chat: Crime and Punishment on NBC Crime and Punishment movie RE: Crime and Punishment movie crime and punishment Re: crime and punishment RE: North Amer. TV alert: _Crime and punishment_ Today in History - Oct. 12 Re: crime and punishment Re: crime and punishment Returned from Vacation Re: Returned from Vacation Re: Returned from Vacation RE: Returned from Vacation Re: Returned from Vacation RE: Returned from Vacation Chat: Kansas City Art Museum (WAS RE: Returned from Vacation) RE: Returned from Vacation CHAT: RE: Returned from Vacation Re: CHAT: RE: Returned from Vacation Re: Chat: Fans of Shirley Jackson [15874] Re: Fight with a cannon: (WAS: Re: Re: reading schedule) Re: Returned from Vacation ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:59:02 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)javanet.com> Subject: Chat: Sunday London Times Articles The Victorian Internet: The Remarkable Story of the Telegraph and the 19th-Century's Online Pioneers by Tom Standage Weidenfeld ?14.99 pp160 Tom Standage, recently appointed the science editor of The Economist, bases the title of his book on the notion (not at all far-fetched) that the Victorian telegraph system is analogous to the present-day Internet. - ----------------------------- "The V&A reinvented Aubrey Beardsley in the 1960s as a swinger. But now his decadence looks like adolescent fantasy, says WALDEMAR JANUSZCZAK A bad boy who never grew up They are having a wasteful two-day conference, entitled Beardsley: Myth and Reality, as part of the Victoria & Albert Museum's dutiful commemoration of the death of Aubrey Beardsley. I can save them the bother." This review and article appear in the Sunday London Times, 11 Oct 98. If you cannot retrieve them from the Times website http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/frontpage.html?2254451 send me email with '1011A' in the Subject and nothing in the body of the message and I'll forward a copy of each in one message. Cheers, Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- James E. Kearman mailto:jkearman(at)javanet.com http://www.javanet.com/~jkearman Why do you wander further and further? Look! All good is here. Only learn to seize your joy, For joy is always near. - --Goethe
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:31:05 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)javanet.com> Subject: Chat: Crime and Punishment on NBC Here's what the Prevue Channel Website (http://www.prevue.com) has to say: Crime and Punishment NBC?s new movie for television, Fyodor Dostoevsky?s "Crime and Punishment" starring Ben Kingsley as Magistrate Porfiry and Patrick Dempsey as Rodya Raskolnikov, shot on location in Budapest, promises to be a lavish production. Executive Producer Robert Halmi (Merlin, The Odyssey, Gulliver?s Travels) and Hallmark Entertainment present the television movie version of Dostoevsky?s masterful psychological drama. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Nice photo of Ben with a moustache, against a Budapest skyline. (Lavish?) Cheers, Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------- James E. Kearman mailto:jkearman(at)javanet.com http://www.javanet.com/~jkearman Why do you wander further and further? Look! All good is here. Only learn to seize your joy, For joy is always near. - --Goethe
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 10:01:07 -0700 From: Jack Kolb <KOLB(at)UCLA.EDU> Subject: Crime and Punishment movie From Susan Stewart's TV Guide Hits and Misses: Crime and Punishment (Sun., NBC) TV-14. Dostoevsky believed suffering is the key to existence. There's pain aplenty in this TV-movie adaptation of his great novel, here transformed into a Czarist soap opera in a lush historical setting. Patrick Dempsey stars as Raskolnikov, the impoverished intellectual who commits a gruesome crime; Ben Kingsley is the policeman who preys on his guilt. The tension between them and the politics around them are conveyed splendidly. But the core of the story, Raskolnikov's inner turmoil, is lost. Still when he hollers, "I have killed my soul," you don't laugh, and that's something. My score [on a scale of 10]: 6. Jack Kolb Dept. of English, UCLA kolb(at)ucla.edu
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Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:54:43 -0400 From: "James E. Kearman" <jkearman(at)javanet.com> Subject: RE: Crime and Punishment movie If you liked the movie, why not visit the setting in person? For your reading pleasure during commercials, here's something from the Frommer's website: The Economist, the famous British magazine, got their "Intelligence Unit" to work figuring out the cost of living in cities around the world, with prices measured against those of New York City (already high enough!). On the list of 120 cities, Budapest came in 116th, making it the cheapest in Europe, the magazine says. The survey also said that day-to-day living costs in Budapest are 49% lower than in New York. Whatever your opinion of these figures, we want you to know that MALEV, the Hungarian airline, has some really good value packages for traveling to that exciting country. The cheapest is a price of only $699 during the winter (November 1, 1998 through March 31, 1999), which includes round-trip air from New York to Budapest, with six nights in a first-class hotel, roundtrip airport/hotel transfers, a half-day sightseeing of the city, and, best of all perhaps, dinner at the magnificent Gundel or Bagolyvar (both owned by famous New York restaurateur George Lang), as well as tickets to an opera or concert plus free admission to a casino. During the same period, if you want to stay in a deluxe hotel, it will cost you $899. All prices in this article are per person in a room for two persons. There are also single supplements, of course. - ---- Cheers, Jim (not watching C&P) ----------------------------------------------------------------- James E. Kearman mailto:jkearman(at)javanet.com http://www.javanet.com/~jkearman Why do you wander further and further? Look! All good is here. Only learn to seize your joy, For joy is always near. - --Goethe
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 08:37:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Zozie(at)aol.com Subject: crime and punishment Don't know about all of you but I couldn't manage to sit through it. This is a book I re-read and have many manila folders full of notes dating back years. Have always wanted to do a stage version of it. The parts that I saw seemed unconnected, and obviously short-handed. And the commercial interruptions were impossible to overlook. So, I'm a snob. best phoebe
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:26:18 -0400 From: Linda Anderson <lpa1(at)ptdprolog.net> Subject: Re: crime and punishment I didn't bother to turn it on. Any book that long and complicated and well known needs a mini-series to do it even partial justice; not a 2 hour commercial fest. Linda Anderson At 08:37 AM 10/12/1998 -0400, you wrote: >Don't know about all of you but I couldn't manage to sit through it. This is >a book I re-read and have many manila folders full of notes dating back years. >Have always wanted to do a stage version of it. > >The parts that I saw seemed unconnected, and obviously short-handed. And the >commercial interruptions were impossible to overlook. > >So, I'm a snob. > >best >phoebe > >
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 09:02:37 -0500
From: Moudry <Moudry(at)uab.edu>
Subject: RE: North Amer. TV alert: _Crime and punishment_
At 23:05 10-10-98 -0400, Jim Kearman wrote (in part):
><snip!>
> If murder committed by intellectuals were justified,
>Hollywood would be a ghost town.
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>Cheers,
>
>Jim
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>mailto:jkearman(at)javanet.com
>http://www.javanet.com/~jkearman
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:43:33 -0600
From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org>
Subject: Today in History - Oct. 12
1492
Christopher Columbus lands on some islands near Vinland and
thinks he's in Asia. His first ,
words, addressed to his interpreter in response to a statement
by one of the locals, are, "What
does 'Uff Da' mean in Chinese?" (alright, so I added this
myself)
1809
Meriwether Lewis, of the Lewis and Clark expedition, dies under
mysterious circumstances
in St. Louis.
1899
The Anglo-Boer War begins.
1872
Apache leader Cochise signs a peace treaty with General O.O.
Howard in Arizona
Territory.
Jerry Carlson
Descendant of Vikings
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:31:47 +0100 From: Andrew Gulli <strandmag(at)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: crime and punishment I hate to disappoint everyone, but I enjoyed the Film. Was it as good as the BBC Production of Nostromo, certainly not-- but in many ways it gave the public a general taste of Dostoyevsky which may prompt them to read one of his book rather than live in ignorance of such a brilliant writer. Regards, Andrew Gulli The Strand Magazine Zozie(at)aol.com wrote: > > Don't know about all of you but I couldn't manage to sit through it. This is > a book I re-read and have many manila folders full of notes dating back years. > Have always wanted to do a stage version of it. > > The parts that I saw seemed unconnected, and obviously short-handed. And the > commercial interruptions were impossible to overlook. > > So, I'm a snob. > > best > phoebe
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:02:53 -0500 (CDT) From: brentb(at)webtv.net (Brent Barber) Subject: Re: crime and punishment - --WebTV-Mail-1051718512-977 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I wasn't going to say anything lest my standing in the snob ranks be jeopardized, but I liked it too. I was especially suprised at the performance of Patrick Dempsey, who I had thought of as a lesser talent. Obviously, one has to overlook the limitations of a 2 hour TV treatment, but given those limitations, not bad. http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html - --WebTV-Mail-1051718512-977 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id HAA18242; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id HAA26902; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (ns.mtroyal.ab.ca) by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with ESMTP id <0F0R005LCSIQN4(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for brentb(at)webtv.net; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:35:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root(at)localhost) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01313 for gaslight-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:33:36 -0600 Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01310 for <gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:33:35 -0600 Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with ESMTP id <0F0R005JPSFXN4(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 08:33:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.76.64.39]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19981013143332.LOJF21009(at)worldnet.att.net> for <gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:33:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:31:47 +0100 From: Andrew Gulli <strandmag(at)worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: crime and punishment Sender: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Reply-to: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Message-id: <36231E03.2F4C7A8D(at)worldnet.att.net> Organization: The Strand Magazine MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-WNS2.5 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk References: <9e0988be.3621f7ec(at)aol.com> I hate to disappoint everyone, but I enjoyed the Film. Was it as good as the BBC Production of Nostromo, certainly not-- but in many ways it gave the public a general taste of Dostoyevsky which may prompt them to read one of his book rather than live in ignorance of such a brilliant writer. Regards, Andrew Gulli The Strand Magazine Zozie(at)aol.com wrote: > > Don't know about all of you but I couldn't manage to sit through it. This is > a book I re-read and have many manila folders full of notes dating back years. > Have always wanted to do a stage version of it. > > The parts that I saw seemed unconnected, and obviously short-handed. And the > commercial interruptions were impossible to overlook. > > So, I'm a snob. > > best > phoebe - --WebTV-Mail-1051718512-977--
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:56:39 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Returned from Vacation Hello Gaslighteers, Welcome to Gaslight, Kevin Clement; glad to receive your introduction. There is a wonderful group of people on Gaslight. I've just returned from vacation; visiting family in Oklahoma, where I saw a small scale cavalry reenactment which was interesting (I mainly attended to see a 12 lb howitzer canon fired -- why, I don't know, but it sounded like fun), also visited the Tall Grass Prairie Reserve outside Tulsa, and Woolaroc, the 1920's rustic log and native stone country home of Frank Phillips of Phillips 66 fame. If you are in the area, don't miss this! If you like 1920s outlandish western rustic, you are in for a treat; the house is amazing. The baby grand piano covered in rough tree bark tops just about everything I've seen! Of course, I love log and stone lodges built during this era. For the western fans on Gaslight, the Phillips Museum contains great photos of the Miller 101 Ranch Wild West Show, along with the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show, along with assorted memorabilia. Bob Champ, I have a postcard of Calamity Jane for you if you are still on email these days. Also saw the Frank Lloyd Wright Price Oil Company Tower in Bartlesville. I experienced the tornadoes that whipped through Oklahoma early last week; Sunday night was exciting. We spent a good deal of time in a basement room watching tornadoes on the news, while one was sighted only a mile away. Aren't there several Gaslighters from Oklahoma, Doug? and James R.? I trust you are safe and sound after the storms? Good to be back home and in touch with Gaslight again. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:36:50 -0500 (CDT) From: brentb(at)webtv.net (Brent Barber) Subject: Re: Returned from Vacation - --WebTV-Mail-372653780-1917 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Good to have you back, Pat. I'm dailing from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. My bedroom wall shook violently with the force of the downtown bombing. It sounded and felt like someone had thrown a car up against it. Ground zero is only about 5 miles away. You mustv'e been staying with some real sissies, huddling in the basement during the recent tornadoes. I went out and took a walk in it, while one touched down in Moore, a few miles away. Great fun. I haven't really checked out any of the locations of historical interest here since I have assumed for the 10 years I've lived here, that it is a cultural wasteland. It feels like living in a vacuum, but then I hail from sunny southern CA, LA. Mebee I'll check out some of the places you mentioned. . . BB http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html - --WebTV-Mail-372653780-1917 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.92]) by postoffice-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/po.gso.24Feb98) with ESMTP id MAA07566; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by mailsorter-102.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id MAA08773; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (ns.mtroyal.ab.ca) by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with ESMTP id <0F0S003RN5OBWE(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for brentb(at)webtv.net; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:19:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from root(at)localhost) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01630 for gaslight-list; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:19:12 -0600 Received: from mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (mail.mtroyal.ab.ca [142.109.10.22]) by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01627 for <gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:19:11 -0600 Received: from getty.edu (gateway.pub.getty.edu) by mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3151) with SMTP id <0F0S003QU5N6WE(at)mailgate.mtroyal.ab.ca> for gaslight(at)www2.mtroyal.ab.ca; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:18:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Getty-Message_Server by getty.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:56:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 11:56:39 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Returned from Vacation Sender: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Reply-to: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Message-id: <s623400a.029(at)getty.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www2.mtroyal.ab.ca id NAA01628 Hello Gaslighteers, Welcome to Gaslight, Kevin Clement; glad to receive your introduction. There is a wonderful group of people on Gaslight. I've just returned from vacation; visiting family in Oklahoma, where I saw a small scale cavalry reenactment which was interesting (I mainly attended to see a 12 lb howitzer canon fired -- why, I don't know, but it sounded like fun), also visited the Tall Grass Prairie Reserve outside Tulsa, and Woolaroc, the 1920's rustic log and native stone country home of Frank Phillips of Phillips 66 fame. If you are in the area, don't miss this! If you like 1920s outlandish western rustic, you are in for a treat; the house is amazing. The baby grand piano covered in rough tree bark tops just about everything I've seen! Of course, I love log and stone lodges built during this era. For the western fans on Gaslight, the Phillips Museum contains great photos of the Miller 101 Ranch Wild West Show, along with the Buffalo Bill Wild West Show, along with assorted memorabilia. Bob Champ, I have a postcard of Calamity Jane for you if you are still on email these days. Also saw the Frank Lloyd Wright Price Oil Company Tower in Bartlesville. I experienced the tornadoes that whipped through Oklahoma early last week; Sunday night was exciting. We spent a good deal of time in a basement room watching tornadoes on the news, while one was sighted only a mile away. Aren't there several Gaslighters from Oklahoma, Doug? and James R.? I trust you are safe and sound after the storms? Good to be back home and in touch with Gaslight again. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu - --WebTV-Mail-372653780-1917--
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:26:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: Returned from Vacation
At 11:56 AM 10/13/98 -0700, Patricia A. Teter wrote: Aren't there several
Gaslighters
>from Oklahoma, Doug? and James R.? I trust you are safe and
>sound after the storms?
>
>Good to be back home and in touch with Gaslight again.
>
>best regards,
>Patricia
>
>Patricia A. Teter
>PTeter(at)Getty.edu
>
>
Yes, thank you. I survived. I have only been hit by a tornado once,
which was sufficient.....not as bad as watching Crime & Punishment mebbe,
but pretty unpleasant. I am glad that you got a kick out of Woolaroc. Next
time, try the Gun Museum between Tulsa and Joplin or, beter yet, the Tom Mix
Museum located north of Tulsa in the town of Dewey (comes complete with the
suitcase that crushed the back of Mix's head).
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:54:23 -0500 From: Deborah Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: Returned from Vacation Tell me all about where to visit, Patricia! More, more! I grew up around Bob Champ's stomping grounds in Washington. Always lived on the East Coast except for the recent years in Ohio. But we've been in the Midwest since April, and I must say, I love it here. The people are wonderful. Kids are welcome. They get my strange jokes. Surprise, surprise! In Warrensburg, there is nothing but the University and the Stealth bomber. Tornadoes go around the town because some old Indian chief blessed it... A population of 16,000, 11,000 of it at the college. Maybe it is an island, surrounded by Clampets, Bowdeens, Lil'Abners with their crystal meth stills. But I don't see much of that. I see history -- the small Civil War museums, the enactment's of battles in July. Old, well-kept buildings to die for. Wonderful old court houses. Independence is where the wagon trains began. In Kansas City, I went to the art museum, aching for my Smithsonian -- and was greeted by a Burne Jones angel, an Alma Tadema water color (to die for, Deborah 1!)to her right. In another wing, medieval church windows and ruins... The Three Graces and an assortment of annunciation's. So much! There is an old Victorian Springs here where they came to 'take the waters' (I see Jane Morris and Topsy in cartoon), and I cruise it almost every morning. It reminds me of Glover Park except that I don't fear getting mugged. At every turn, there is a silver creek, a small waterfall. Deers. The occasional biology class panning for invertebrates. Brent! Look at that clear big sky (have you ever seen such clouds?) and make it what you will! Be Poe, and Twain, and Wilde on visit, as always I am Florence Farr... or is that Phoebe? Looked at your site, Brent. Nice lookin' blonde chickie. She is what it is all about. PS I posted another chapter on my pages below. Let me have it about ANYTHING I got wrong. Also a picture of my (recent) big hair, and pre-Raphaelite hair. Regards, good wishes, Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse Society often forgives the criminal. It never forgives the dreamer.~Oscar Wilde
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:04:37 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: Re: Returned from Vacation Brent from OKC writes: <<You mustv'e been staying with some real sissies, huddling in the basement during the recent tornadoes.>> <grin> Actually, no. Most of the group chased the tornado in Stillwater. My niece wants to be a meteorologist; this was her Dream. I had just driven through the storms, so I stayed home to get a better view from TV. And there was no walking around in my area for the lightening was too close and dangerous. Having grown up in tornado alley, this is old stuff for me; I'll take a tornado any day rather than an earthquake from sunny, trembling southern California. <<I haven't really checked out any of the locations of historical interest here since I have assumed for the 10 years I've lived here, that it is a cultural wasteland.>> Growing up in OK, I thought the same, however, there is a great deal to see in OK. If you like art, visit the Philbrook or Gilcrease Museums in Tulsa; or even the Cowboy Hall of Fame in OKC. The Phillips Museum at Woolaroc has a large western painting collection, including a couple of very nice Thomas Moran paintings. The Phillips Lodge alone is well worth the trip! If you are into nature, Black Mesa in the NW corner of the state is a great trip into the wilderness, or the Tall Grass Prairie Reserve, near Tulsa, purchased by the Nature Conservancy is one of the few remaining large tracts of Tall Grass Prairie in the US. This year due to the drought, the prairie was only about 3 to 4 feet high, but on good years, the Big Bluestem grows about 8 feet tall. While in Osage county, don't miss driving through the small towns which were built during the great oil boom years. Some fabulous native stone architecture pops up on the town squares. And don't miss Pawnee Bill's home outside Pawnee. I recommend stopping at every Sonic Drive-In on the route; this adds a touch of nostalgia and humor to your road trip. <grin> James R. writes: <<Next time, try the Gun Museum between Tulsa and Joplin or, beter yet, the Tom Mix Museum located north of Tulsa in the town of Dewey (comes complete with the suitcase that crushed the back of Mix's head).>> I've seen the Gun Museum, but not the Tom Mix Museum. This sounds very entertaining! I'll add it to my list of things to see next trip. Glad to hear you were safe from the storms. Next trip to OK, we should all plan to meet at some interesting Gaslight era sight. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:45:52 -0500 (CDT) From: brentb(at)webtv.net (Brent Barber) Subject: RE: Returned from Vacation Patricia and Deborah, I meekly aquiesce in light of your historical knowledge of the region. I guess I should have qualified my remarks to indicate that I was largely refering to the social and political culture of the present era, not historical culture of the gaslight era. It's Republican country and most of the people here seem like part of one large narrow minded family, cut from the same hunk of plain pine. But you are so right Deb in insisting that all of life is what one makes of it. I have learned to go inside and create for myself the dimensions I seek. It would just be nice to feel the buzz in the air like downtown Seattle, LA, London, ect. and run into people who have read anything besides Dan Quayles memoirs;) BB http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:14:25 -0600 From: Jerry Carlson <gmc(at)libra.pvh.org> Subject: Chat: Kansas City Art Museum (WAS RE: Returned from Vacation) >>> Deborah Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> 10/13 2:54 PM >>> < In Kansas City, I went to the art museum, aching for my Smithsonian -- and was greeted by a Burne Jones angel, an Alma Tadema water color (to die for, Deborah 1!)to her right. In another wing, medieval church windows and ruins... The Three Graces and an assortment of annunciation's. So much!> Oy - I'm sorry I missed that wing when I was there. Actually, I mostly went in search of Thomas Hart Benton - saw his "Hollywood"; his "Persephone", with Hades portrayed as an old Missouri farmer, was on tour. What I was most sorry I didn't get to see was an allegorical mural he did relating one of Hercules' labors to the taming of the Missouri, which once graced a now-demolished department store (as I read in the K.C. Public Library in an old _Smithsonian_ I remembered it from). But then I wandered into the Asian wing. I can't remember being anywhere so breathtaking. Be sure to go there when you get back to KC. KC also boasts Benton's home and studio, but I only had an afternoon and couldn't get there in time. Jerry gmc(at)libra.pvh.org
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:50:09 -0500 From: Deborah Mattingly Conner <muse(at)iland.net> Subject: RE: Returned from Vacation Who is Dan Quayles? Deborah Mattingly Conner muse(at)iland.net http://www.iland.net/~muse "That which is creative must create itself" ~John Keats -----Original Message----- From: owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA [mailto:owner-gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA]On Behalf Of Brent Barber Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 4:46 PM To: gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Subject: RE: Returned from Vacation Patricia and Deborah, I meekly aquiesce in light of your historical knowledge of the region. I guess I should have qualified my remarks to indicate that I was largely refering to the social and political culture of the present era, not historical culture of the gaslight era. It's Republican country and most of the people here seem like part of one large narrow minded family, cut from the same hunk of plain pine. But you are so right Deb in insisting that all of life is what one makes of it. I have learned to go inside and create for myself the dimensions I seek. It would just be nice to feel the buzz in the air like downtown Seattle, LA, London, ect. and run into people who have read anything besides Dan Quayles memoirs;) BB http://members.theglobe.com/brentb/Lr3.html
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:21:07 -0700 From: Patricia Teter <PTeter(at)getty.edu> Subject: CHAT: RE: Returned from Vacation Deborah M.C. writes: <<Tell me all about where to visit, Patricia! More, more! >> From your message I'm assuming you are in Missouri, the Show Me state? If so, you are close to all the Tulsa area sites I have mentioned, plus the two mentioned by James Rogers. Take a road trip and don't miss the Sonic Drive-Ins. If you are interested in birds, there is the Great Salt Plains reserve near Alva, in the NW part of the state, where the Sandhill Cranes come through each year on their migration route; on the southern end, you can dig for salt crystals which is fun. Also in the NW corner, on the way to Black Mesa, in certain areas, dinosaur tracks can be found in the river beds; and the old wagon trails can still be seen across the short grass prairie in that region. At Black Mesa, cabins can be rented, along with a camp kitchen, which makes for a wonderful rustic weekend nature trip. Fall is the best time of year to visit; often the thunderstorms come in from New Mexico or the Texas panhandle, crossing the short grass Kiowa National Grasslands, and you will think you have been transported into a magical paradise. There isn't much out there in terms of civilization, but the grasslands are well worth the visit. In the late afternoon, the sun hits the waving golden grass, and you can easily see what it must have been like for the wagon trains first traveling across the region. Brent writes: <<I should have qualified my remarks to indicate that I was largely refering to the social and political culture of the present era, not historical culture of the gaslight era. >>> Ah, yes, that culture. Say no more, for I know it well. <grin> I was raised in an OK household of cowboys, land barons, artists, biologists and musicians who always delighted in stepping outside the boundaries, so I hit the brick wall a few times myself. However, living in LA isn't much better these days; after all, provincialism is a state of mind, not a location. best regards, Patricia Patricia A. Teter PTeter(at)Getty.edu
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:50:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Rogers <jetan(at)ionet.net>
Subject: Re: CHAT: RE: Returned from Vacation
At 04:21 PM 10/13/98 -0700, Patricia A. Teter wrote:
>
>Ah, yes, that culture. Say no more, for I know it well.
><grin> I was raised in an OK household of cowboys, land
>barons, artists, biologists and musicians who always delighted
>in stepping outside the boundaries, so I hit the brick wall a
>few times myself. However, living in LA isn't much better
>these days; after all, provincialism is a state of mind, not a
>location.
>
This has been my experience as well. I found no shortage of
non-literate types in Boston and NYC, salted with an all too liberal
allowance of pretentious but equally confused art opening types who would
not survive well in Oklahoma. In New York, the classic provincials were
folks who had lived their whole lives in Brooklyn, yet had never bothered to
cross the bridge into Manhattan (whether they missed anything is, perhaps,
an open question).
Oklahoma has it's own pleasures, such as a great deal of surviving
art deco architecture (some good, some awful), real bluegrass and hillbilly
music to be found out in the rural areas, still performed by
amateurs.....plus you can buy chicken gizzards at the supermarket. Yum!
While we are discussing great historical sites in the area, I
shouldn't forget to mention the still gorgeous Cain's Ballroom...."Let me
off at Archer and I'll walk down to Greenwood". About 5 minutes drive from
an old home of the Ma Barker gang and a rather dramatic police shoot out
with Pretty Boy Floyd (old friend of my mother's family, along with Ned
Christie).
James
James Michael Rogers
jetan(at)ionet.net
Mundus Vult Decipi
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:36:23 -0400 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: Chat: Fans of Shirley Jackson [15874] James Rogers wrote: > > At 09:51 AM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote: > >>I'll admit that I've not read the original story *yet* (buried in my list > >>of stories to read) > > > >Unbury it and put it at the top for October reading. Add to the mix as > >many M.R. James stories you can fit in and October will be perfect spook > >month! Subtle and not hard hitting. > > > >Deborah > > Big agreement. Best supernatural *novel* ever written. Scary as hell > and very literate. Better than the THE HAUNTING, even though that was an > excellent flick. I Dread the remake. > > James > James Michael Rogers > jetan(at)ionet.net > Mundus Vult Decipi Thanks for the recommendations, I've had some trouble finding a copy of The Haunting (the only one I *could* find was checked out) but am planning an expedition to at least one Half-Price Books store this week. M.R. James is harder to find locally but I have managed to find several good anthologies with a James story in them, which I've found is also a good introduction to several other authors I'll have to read more of now. ;) On a related note I found my Arkham House M.P. Shiel book again (Prince Zaleski & Cummings King Monk) which I plan to read as well this month. (Shiel was in one of the anthologies) I've spent too long in Lovecraft Land, too long away from tales such as those I'm now reading and enjoying.
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:51:57 -0400 From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com> Subject: Re: Fight with a cannon: (WAS: Re: Re: reading schedule) "p.h.wood" wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, James Rogers wrote in reply to the posting: > > It really was this serious. It was a real peril and a pretty > > famous one for naval history buffs. The larger freed cannon would > > occassionally batter it's way through the hull. Obviously this is where the > > expression "a loose cannon" originated. > Woops, didn't check earlier emails like I should've. You [James] identified it earlier as probably coming from the novel "1793". > Such incidents did not end with the changeover to turret-mounted guns in > ironclad battleships. In the late 1890's the USS "Indiana"'s turrets broke > loose from their stops and swwung wildly from side to side, creating > considerable havoc as they did so. It took the efforts of over one hundred > crew-members to bring them under control again. The problem was in their > unbalanced design, with too much weight forward of the turret pivot. > The Exeter Books (1979) "Illustrated History of Sea Power" has a > cross-section of the "Indiana" on pp.34-35; the task of bringing her two > turrets under control must have been considerable. > Peter Wood - -- I'm quite land-locked (until one hits the Great Lakes) in the middle of Ohio and shouldn't write posts too late at night right before falling asleep. Have taken trips to the Great Lakes (mainly islands and locks) as well as coasts of Maine & Virginia so I've been on boats, but nothing as big as a battleship. I concede a loose cannon would be quite nasty. (I meant to say in my last email that I thought the cannon would have sunk the boat realistically but then there wouldn't be a story) Kevin J. Clement clementk(at)alink.com otherwise known as Lord_Sepulchrave(at)yahoo.com while under the influence of Gormenghast "The hero is not entitled to a last kiss, a last cigarette, or any other form of last request."
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:13:06 -0400
From: "Kevin J. Clement" <clementk(at)alink.com>
Subject: Re: Returned from Vacation
Patricia Teter wrote:
>
> Hello Gaslighteers,
>
> Welcome to Gaslight, Kevin Clement; glad to receive your
> introduction. There is a wonderful group of people on
> Gaslight.
Thanks for the welcome. I'm really enjoying the stories and conversation.
> I've just returned from vacation; visiting family in Oklahoma,
> where I saw a small scale cavalry reenactment which was
> interesting (I mainly attended to see a 12 lb howitzer canon
> fired -- why, I don't know, but it sounded like fun), also visited
> the Tall Grass Prairie Reserve outside Tulsa, and Woolaroc,
> the 1920's rustic log and native stone country home of Frank
> Phillips of Phillips 66 fame. If you are in the area, don't miss this!
Civil War or Western/Frontier? IMO, while the reenacter ACW cavalry
*look* great they usually aren't as good controlling their horses.
('course this is accurate for the North and may just be local groups)
I've seen several infantry units almost get run over by their own cavalry.
I do like seeing/hearing canon fired though. A pound of powder per shot
makes lotsa noise and smoke.
re: Tornadoes - Ohio gets quite a few in the Fall and Spring, several in
my county but I seem to be out of the path for tornadoes. (I was in one
out west though; in a RV park, several RV's got totaled that night)
Since I like storms/wind anyway I enjoy going out back and watching the
sky for sign of a twister; unless its hailing!
> Good to be back home and in touch with Gaslight again.
>
> best regards,
> Patricia
>
> Patricia A. Teter
> PTeter(at)Getty.edu
- --
Kevin J. Clement
Lord_Sepulchrave(at)yahoo.com
currently wondering where has Art Bell gone?
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