Gaslight digest of discussion from 97-apr-18 to 97-apr-20
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:24:37 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: My recent TV viewing [11276]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:37:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Sale of Dickens' effects (1870) [11277]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:53:46 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Etext avail: Wilkie Collins "The adopted son" (true crime) [11278]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:55:41 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Robert Chambers [11279]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11280]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:39:32 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11281]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:33:54 -0400
From: "John D. Squires"
Subject: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:07:33 -0700
From: Sherlene
Subject: Sorry, but... [11283]
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:35:23 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Green Tea, again [11284]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:13:30 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11285]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:35:45 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282] [11286]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:38:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282] [11286] [11287]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:01:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11288]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:21:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Fwd: Sutherland's Puzzles [11289]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:22:42 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: Xenia Warrior Princess Meets Gilbert & Sullivan [11240] [11242]
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:23:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11291]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:23:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11280] [11292]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:05:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: From a fan of the _other_ Leno [11293]
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:07:18 -0400
From: "John D. Squires"
Subject: Re: Beatrix Potter auction [11294]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:13:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Carlisle
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:44:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:33:05 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11297]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:34:13 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11298]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:40:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: "p.h.wood"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11299]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:11:53 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11299] [11300]
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:13:42 -0400
From: "James D. Hake"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11301]
-----------------------------THE POSTS-----------------------------
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:24:37 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: My recent TV viewing [11276]
A couple of weeks ago I stumbled on _Persuasion_ on
Mxxxx Masterpiece Theatre and enjoyed it. It seemed
to rely on happy coincidence for than other adaptions
of Austen that I've seen lately. Did any catch that
the concluding sunset with sailing ship was actually
borrowed from Columbia Pictures' _The Bounty_?
I notice on the IMDb that two _Persuasion_ stars were
also in _Jane Eyre_ (1996). Amanda Root and Samuel
West must have been some of Rochester's snotty
visitors because I have no recollection of them.
I thought _Jane Eyre_ was fabulous. William Hurt
finally held my attention in a cold but vulnerable
portrayal of Rochester, just the part for him.
After that show ended, I stumbled again and caught
the latter half of _The spy_ by Fritz Lang, or _Les
espions_ as it was titled on Radio Canada (French
service). Can anyone tell me what has happened so
far in the very complicated plot, up to the point
that the master spy (good guy) catches his bosses
secretary with the world's tiniest Kodak brownie
in his lapel?
Today's paper says that Jack Palance will replace
Christopher Walken in the upcoming cowboy version
of _A Christmas carol_. It will be filmed a few
miles west of Calgary on the old _Lonesome Dove_
lot which has been vacant since that series was
cancelled. I presume they will be painting the
grass wintry, a not uncommon practice here in
the summer.
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:37:35 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Sale of Dickens' effects (1870) [11277]
Our much abused set of _The illustrated London news_ has
finally surfaced at Mount Royal College Library. It even
circulates!
I turned instantly to 1870-jun to see what report it gave
of the death of Charles Dickens but that page is missing.
I found instead in the 1870-jul-16 issue an incredulous
report of the auction of his personal effects:
THE SALE OF MR. DICKENS'S EFFECTS
The sale of the pictures and ornaments which belonged to the
late Mr. Charles Dickens attracted a great crowd of buyers to
Chrisite and Manson's rooms last Saturday, and the prices
realised were literally enormous. Professional dealers were
quite driven out of the competition, except when they were
privately instructed to buy certain articles at any price. The
pictures alone fetched nearly 8,000 gs. Frith's "Dolly Varden,"
executed by the artist when very young, which Mr. Dickens bought
in 1843 for L20, fetched 1000 gs. Dickens's portrait by
Maclise realised L660, and the three rough but most
effective scene sketches of Stanfield nearly 1300 gs.
Cattermole's two water colours from "The Old Curiosity
Shop" brought together 385gs.; and a small
painting which Dickens bought in New York, 240 gs. A very
small cabinet picture by Hunt went for 320 gs.; and ten very
small and barely legible pencil sketches by John Leech, all in
one frame, though some were mere scraps which the artist
himself would, no doubt, never have thought worth framing,
were run up to 162 gs. Other things went at like extra-
ordinary prices. A common inkstand brought 11 1/2 gs.; a
Chinese gong, not worth L2, relised 31 gs.; a modern Dresden
saltcellar, which did not cost 10s., was sold for 18 1/2 gs.; and
so on throughout. The Pickwick spoons, which, it was stated
in the room, originally cost L40, went separately for 267 gs.,
or at the rate of nearly L10 an ounce for silver. The raven,
the Grip of Barnaby Rudge, was expected to fetch L20 or L25.
It was a very badly stuffed bird, in an empty black wooden
case which was too small for it. Before it had been
offered a minute the biddings rose to 80 gs. From this point
the contest was between Mr. Andrew Halliday and Mr.
Nottage, of the London Stereoscopic Company, and the latter
at last got the bird for L126. The sale realised L9410.
(End of quote)
Not bad for an author who was said to be lecturing and
writing in his last years so that his children would
have more of an inheritance.
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:53:46 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Etext avail: Wilkie Collins "The adopted son" (true crime) [11278]
ADOPTSON.NON
Wilkie Collins wrote a short series called
_Cases worth looking at_, of which "The adopted
son" is the first entry. It concerns a roque
of the early 18th C. who is alleged to have had
an unusual patronage.
Send to: Mtroyal.ab.ca
the following command:
send [gaslight]adoptson.non
or visit the website:
www.mtroyal.ab.ca/programs/arts/english/gaslight/casemenu.htm
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:55:41 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Robert Chambers [11279]
Can anyone tell me who the Black Priest may be? He is
alluded to at the end of "The Purple Emperor". Does
Darrel appear in a series of adventures which grow
occultish?
Does anyone know a source for a picture of Chambers?
Henrik Johnsson would like one for his webpage.
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:18:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11280]
In a message dated 4/18/97 6:27:59 AM, you wrote:
> Did any catch that
> the concluding sunset with sailing ship was actually
> borrowed from Columbia Pictures' _The Bounty_?
Did not know this, yes, loved PERSUASION, a different kind of cast. However,
go look at the box at the video store of this movie. It's a real hoot. The
plainer Anne (Amanda Root) is replaced by some bosomy vixen and the guy
sucking on her neck is no where near Ciaran Hinds (who will soon be playing
Bois-Gilbert in the new adaptation of Sir Walter Scott's IVANHOE). I never
saw these two people in the entire movie so I was surprised that all the
other boxes show the right people but not this one.
Also, sitting up late at night doing some framing I caught the show on
Discover of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Every one has likely heard
Gordon Lightfoot's haunting song but might not be aware that the melody is
from an older Irish ballad called "I Wish I was Back Home in Derry", even
more powerful. I was surprised to learn that the Edmund Fitz. also broke in
half like the Titanic. In this case it wasn't a combination of pressure,
icebergs and flaws in the steel.
Deborah McMillion
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:39:32 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11281]
Stephen wrote,
> Can anyone tell me who the Black Priest may be? He is
> alluded to at the end of "The Purple Emperor". Does
> Darrel appear in a series of adventures which grow
> occultish?
I presumed him to mean Death.
Best w's,
S.T. Karnick
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:33:54 -0400
From: "John D. Squires"
Subject: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282]
4/17/97
The Black Priest also appears in another story by Chambers, I
believe "The Messenger". I have an unpublished illustration of the
charming fellow by George Chastain hanging in my library. (The messenger of
the title is a death's head moth--Chambers shows a lot of interest in such
insects.)
There are portaits of Chambers in several of his books, including
the frontispiece to most early editions of THE KING IN YELLOW, which shows
him painting a young girl. (Half the stories in the book aren't concerned
with the notorious play at all, but are light sketches of Chambers' days as
a young art student in Paris. The doomed hero of "The Yellow Sign is an
art student too.) The Books for Libraries Press reprint edition includes
it, and is still listed in BOOKS IN PRINT for around $25.00. BforLP also
reprinted his other short story collections, THE MAKER OF MOONS, THE
MYSTERY OF CHOICE, YOUNG MAN IN A HURRY, et al. All are apparently still
available through Ayers [?] Publishing co., which took over BforLP as well
as Arno Press, which reprinted Chambers' THE SLAYER OF SOULS. Some
California publisher is said to be reprinting Chambers' fantasy/horror
stories in a new edition (or series?) due out next year.
Best in haste,
John Squires
Shiel_Search(at)compuserve.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:07:33 -0700
From: Sherlene
Subject: Sorry, but... [11283]
You are a worhty group if ever I chose one, however, I was just passing
through. I enjoyed my visit, I must move on to other groups and just do
not have the time to keep up with it all.
Please remove me from your mail list.
Regards,
Sherlene
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:35:23 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Green Tea, again [11284]
Just a quickie--Is "oolong" the same as "green" tea? Any other natural
cholesterol-reducers anyone knows of? (Sorry this is a bit off topic,
although green tea seems to be one of our perennially favorite off-topic
topics!)
Ruth Jeffries
University of Minnesota
jeff0002(at)gold.tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:13:30 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11285]
I think Jim's reply was intended for the list at large:
>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:59:24 -0500 (CDT)
>From: james george st andre
>Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284]
>In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:35:23 -0600 (CST)
>
>Hi Ruth:
>
>No, green tea and oolong are not the same. Green tea is unfermented, oolong
>is semi-fermented, and black tea is completely fermented.
>("fermented" is not strictly accurate, as the process that occurs is
>oxidation, but it is commonly used)
>
>Jim St. Andre
>jgs3(at)midway.uchicago.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 00:35:45 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282] [11286]
John S. writes:
Subject: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282]
> The Black Priest also appears in another story by Chambers, I
>believe "The Messenger". .... (The messenger of
>the title is a death's head moth--Chambers shows a lot of interest in such
>insects.)
Henrik Johnsson has told me about a French correspondent
who has read a Chambers story that translates roughly as
"The thirty-ninth skull". The narrator goes mad because
of his pursuit of a butterfly called the Crimson Emperor.
The story does not seem to be an exact match with "The
Purple Emperor". It's interesting to see that insects
are a theme with this author.
However, S.T. Joshi has told Henrik that he does not
recognize the title "The thirty-ninth skull". Sounds
somewhat like "The messenger" to me.
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 08:38:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: Re: Robert Chambers [11279] [11282] [11286] [11287]
I wonder if Chambers's interest in insects started off with early
drawings of them. It is not unknown for artists-turned writers to pursue
themes in their stories and poems that had first shown up in their artwork.
I'm thinking especially here of a very different writer, Beatrix Potter,
whose careful drawings of animals and plant-life were apparently the
genesis of her later stories.
Bob Champ (whose interest in this writer has certainly been piqued)
rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 11:01:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11288]
In a message dated 4/18/97 9:46:38 PM, you wrote:
>"oolong"
I was told that Oolong translates as "Black Dragon" and as Jim has already
said, it is a black tea. It's also very good.
Deborah McMillion
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:21:27 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Fwd: Sutherland's Puzzles [11289]
I thought this might interest Gaslighters.
----- Forwarded message begins here -----
From: Patrick McCarthy
To: DICKNS-L(at)UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:41:17 -0700
Subject: Sutherland's Puzzles
When Alfred Kazin taught in a provincial college he used to
say that events of all sorts happened there weeks after everywhere
else. The news of John Sutherland's *Is Heathcliff a Murderer? Puzzles
in 19th-Century Fiction* got to my part of the world over Easter. A
British friend chided me for my ignorance of it: "Patrick, you must
read it. It is the first academic book to be a best seller in England."
At least we did know of John Sutherland through his indispensable
*Stanford Companion to Victorian Fiction* and more recently for his
biographies of Mrs. Humphry Ward and Sir Walter Scott. His *Is H. a
M.?* was published last year by Oxford in their World's Classics series.
Briefly, Sutherland examines thirty-four puzzles in a range of
novels from Scott to Kipling. They are a most readable set of short
pieces, unpretentious, clear, and lively. Even if you have not read
a particular novel--say, *Tenants of Wildfell Hall* or *The Weir of
Hermiston*--Sutherland will recount the story engagingly so that the
puzzle and its relative importance will catch you up. At least this
reader was caught up, so much so I had to be dragged away to dinner.
Yes, devoted readers of Dickens, not one but two of the master's
novels occasion short essays. "Is Oliver dreaming" Sutherland asks of the
scene in which Oliver Twist wakes in his ground-floor at the Maylies' and
not only sees Fagin and Monks staring in at him but hears them speak. No
trace of them, you will remember, was found. Others have worried the
problem, of course, but Sutherland's suggested resolution seems to me
on the mark.
"Mysteries of the Dickensian Year" considers first of all
Dickens's imprecision about "monthly and seasonal references, particularly
in the early novels." Then he focuses on the time that elapses while
young Martin and Mark Tapley are in America, a period that can hardly
be under a year. And he notes that simultaneous events in England--Tom
Pinch's dismissal and so on--take only six months. And yet the
two strands of plot are rejoined without any attempt to resolve the
temporal anomaly. Sutherland finds an apt quote from Mrs. Gamp: "There
are some happy creeturs as time runs back'ards with" and suggests
that young Martin is such a creetur.
Enough. It is all great fun.
Patrick McCarthy
UC Santa Barbara
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:22:42 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: Xenia Warrior Princess Meets Gilbert & Sullivan [11240] [11242]
[11290]
On Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:09:12 -0500,
S.T. Karnick wrote:
>Many thanks to Dr. Champ for the previously undiscovered W.S. Gilbert aria.
> I heartily agree that we should discuss this great master of satirical
>verse soonest. It appears that Mr. Gilbert is such a ubiquitous part of
Unfortunately, his father's short-story cycles are almost completely
unknown today. They fit right into Gaslight's favorite themes, too.
_Shirley Hall Asylum_ and _Dr. Austin's Guests_ are about patients in a
mental asylum, _The Wizard of the Mountain_ is about just that, and _The
Magic Mirror_ is, again, about its title. But you may have trouble
tracking his books down; I had to get most of them through I.L.L.--and my
library here has a pretty good Vickie collection!
Ruth Jeffries
University of Minnesota
jeff0002(at)gold.tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:23:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11291]
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 07:24:37 -0700 (MST),
STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE wrote:
> I notice on the IMDb that two _Persuasion_ stars were
> also in _Jane Eyre_ (1996). Amanda Root and Samuel
> West must have been some of Rochester's snotty
> visitors because I have no recollection of them.
That film version of _Persuasion_ was actually released in movie theatres
here about a year and a half ago. It was fun to see it again (one of my
favorite Austen books, and they did a good job with it). In _Jane
Eyre_, Amanda Root was Miss (name--teacher at awful school), the angelic
one who helped Jane and Helen. What part in _Persuasion_ did Samuel West
play? I might be able to identify him in _Jane Eyre_ if I knew, since I
just saw _Persuasion_ again. My problem is that, like with the writers in
19th-C. Britain, there seems to be a very small, talented pool of British
actors used in all the PBS movies, and so I have trouble keeping them
straight. I'm constantly saying to my husband, "Now what did we just see
him/her in?"
You made a good point about William Hurt, Stephen, but I still hated that
film version, primarily because they so truncated the St. John part that it
made absolutely no sense. They also failed to convey Jane's suppressed
passion and strong moral motivation driving her. But I'm glad you enjoyed
it, since it's my all-time favorite novel! (My husband says it's because I
*am* Jane Eyre. Hmmmm...)
Ruth Jeffries
University of Minnesota
jeff0002(at)gold.tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 09:23:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"
Subject: Re: My recent TV viewing [11276] [11280] [11292]
On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:18:42 -0400 (EDT),
Debah(at)aol.com wrote:
>Discover of the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Every one has likely heard
>Gordon Lightfoot's haunting song but might not be aware that the melody is
>from an older Irish ballad called "I Wish I was Back Home in Derry", even
>more powerful. I was surprised to learn that the Edmund Fitz. also broke in
>half like the Titanic. In this case it wasn't a combination of pressure,
>icebergs and flaws in the steel.
I remembered the song from my youth but didn't realize the wreck had
actually _occurred_ then until I moved to Minnesota. It happened in the
early '70's! And it occurred on Lake Superior. There's a great display on
it in the Maritime Museum at Duluth (MN) harbor. After living in MN, I now
*understand* how it could have happened. In fact, two winters ago it was
so bad here that the entire Lake Superior froze over, even though it's the
largest and deepest of the Great Lakes. We're talking about a lot of
water, folks. And, obviously, brutal weather. Thanks for the tidbit about
the Irish ballad melody, Deborah!
Ruth Jeffries
University of Minnesota
jeff0002(at)gold.tc.umn.edu
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:05:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: From a fan of the _other_ Leno [11293]
The following appeared on the alt.british. comedy newsgroup. Since the
life of the subject overlaps with our period, I was wondering if anyone
had heard of Tom Clare and could provide an answer.
Bob Champ (who wonders, too, if the music-hall is still in existence)
rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
>Author query! For a forthcoming book on comedy...
>anyone know whatever became of TOM CLARE?
>He was born September 26, 1876. I had no date for his death,
>which probably happened in England and, I assume, probably happened.
>Anyone with a good British reference book or obit book, help! Please!
> Clare was the first man to record "Cohen on the Telephone." He
>did it July 25, 1911 and issued it (on Gramophone 01047) in London.
> Aside from this, or in spite of it, Clare was a well-respected
>performer in England and would be for some time to come. The son of George
>and Henrietta Augell Clare, he was born in Holloway and made his stage
>debut on his eighth birthday, joining the Mohawk Minstrels at Agricultural
>Hall in Islington.
> Six years later, Clare made his London debut at the Tivoli. A
>performer adept at both songs and monology, he recorded many singles in
>his time and even wrote a goodly amount of them.
> His later years seem to be a mystery...he just seems to have
>disappeared with no listings of club dates, recordings, or even his
>demise.
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Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 13:07:18 -0400
From: "John D. Squires"
Subject: Re: Beatrix Potter auction [11294]
4/20/97
Bob Champ's mention of Beatrix Potter reminds me that I saw a
recent news filler about an auction coming up in NYC of a fabulous Potter
collection amassed over the last thirty years by some woman who's name I
forget. A representative of the auction house was interviewed who held up
some of the treasures, including an inscribed first state of PETER RABBIT,
a second state copy with the signature & address of the little boy she
wrote the story for, and the first trade edition. The first two states
were self-published in bindings of 250 and 150 copies, respectively. The
auctioner estimated these would go for $60,000 and $40,000. Even the first
trade edition was estimated to be worth $10,000. The whole collection
consists of hundreds of items including many of Potter's art prints done
before PETER RABBIT made her famous.
John Squires
Shiel_Search(at)compuserve.com
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:13:08 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Carlisle
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295]
"Oolong" is literally "Black Dragon" tea. It's semi-fermented before
drying, unlike green tea which is only fermented a little, and black
which is fully fermented. It has, to my mind, a subtle odor of peaches.
Some folks can't stand it, but I've greatly enjoyed being given, by
Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese friends, full-leaf Oolong, which is
very different from the broken-leaf and small-leaf stuff we usually
get in this country.
Kiwi Carlisle
carlisle(at)wuchem.wustl.edu
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:44:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296]
Why is it that you can go almost anywhere in England and get a good
cup of tea, whereas it seems near-to-impossible to get one
in the U.S.? Is it something in the water there, or do Americans
simply not have a clue?
Bob Champ
rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:33:05 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11297]
Chris Carlisle wrote:
>
> "Oolong" is literally "Black Dragon" tea. It's semi-fermented before
> drying, unlike green tea which is only fermented a little, and black
> which is fully fermented. It has, to my mind, a subtle odor of peaches.
> Some folks can't stand it, but I've greatly enjoyed being given, by
> Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese friends, full-leaf Oolong, which is
> very different from the broken-leaf and small-leaf stuff we usually
> get in this country.
>
> Kiwi Carlisle
> carlisle(at)wuchem.wustl.edu
Kiwi: For some reason I've never liked Oolong, though I list most other
kinds of teas. Maybe I've just not had the correct brand, however.
Richard King, still on Gaslight and reading most of the stories, though
not commenting for now
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:34:13 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11298]
Robert Champ wrote:
>
> Why is it that you can go almost anywhere in England and get a good
> cup of tea, whereas it seems near-to-impossible to get one
> in the U.S.? Is it something in the water there, or do Americans
> simply not have a clue?
>
> Bob Champ
> rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
I don't know about this. A good friend of mine visited London a couple
of years ago and wanted a good cup of tea. People kept sending him to
McDonald's restaurants. He couldn't find a good cup of tea. Sounds
strange, I know.
Richard King
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:40:32 -0600 (MDT)
From: "p.h.wood"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11299]
On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Robert Champ wrote:
> Why is it that you can go almost anywhere in England and get a good
> cup of tea, whereas it seems near-to-impossible to get one
> in the U.S.? Is it something in the water there, or do Americans
> simply not have a clue?
> Bob Champ
> rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
I would suggest a combination of the following factors:
1) In many N. American restaurants, tea is made on a do-it-yourself
system. The customer is supplied with a pot of hot (not boiling) water,
and a tea-bag. By the time the tea-bag is placed in the pot, the water is
well below boiling point. The infusion process depends for success on the
water being at or near boiling-point (100C/212F at sea-level).
2) N. American tea is generally made much weaker than English tea. The
standard English mix is "one teaspoon per person and one for the pot". The
average tea-bag contains 1.5 - 2 teaspoons of powdered tea, which has lost
many of its volatile oils. English tea is traditionally made with packet
tea, where the leaves are much less broken up, having been scooped from
the tea-chest in which the tea-leaves were originally packed.
3) If the tea-bag is placed in the cup, and the warm water added, the cup
is cold; the result is even cooler water, weaker tea, and even more
dissatisfaction for the drinker.
WARNING. If anyone accustomed to N. American tea-making tries a cup of
traditional English tea (strong, dark, sweetened with 2-3 spoonfuls of
sugar), they will not recognise the compound.
There was an Army saying about how to tell the difference between canteen
cocoa, tea and coffee. One does it with a teaspoon, which is placed
vertically in the mug of dark brown liquid. If the spoon stands upright,
you've got cocoa. If it falls over, you've got tea. If the spoon dissolves
or jumps out again, it's coffee.
No charge.
Peter Wood (who _always_ warms the teapot before adding the tea or the
boiling water)
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:11:53 -0500
From: "Richard L. King"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11299] [11300]
Peter:
Nice comment about Army beverages.
My friend who visited England said the English people he associated with
always seemed to buy a brand of tea called Typhoo. I assume it comes in
differnet styles, but we get it sometimes in specialty stores in
Indiana. It is very good and yes, rather strong. I usually prefer plan
old Lipton loose, which is better (as you explain) than using a tea bag.
Richard King
rlking(at)marsh.vinu.edu
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Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:13:42 -0400
From: "James D. Hake"
Subject: Re: Green Tea, again [11284] [11295] [11296] [11301]
At 08:44 PM 4/20/97 -0500, Bob wrote:
[snip]
>Is it something in the water there, or do Americans
>simply not have a clue?
Bingo, we have a winner ;-)
Regards,
Jim Hake
Work:j.hake(at)ieee.org
Home: jdh(at)apk.net
End of Gaslight digest.