----------------------------THE HEADERS--------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:30:12 -0700 From: Jack KolbSubject: Re: graverobber story [11234] [11236] [11247] [11249] [11250] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:56:59 +0000 (UT) From: Jo Ann Citron Subject: body snatching [11251] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:44:10 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick" Subject: Re: "The Purple Emperor" [11217] [11252] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:05:23 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE" Subject: Etext avail: Ingoldsby's "The spectre of Tappington" [11253] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:50:58 -0700 From: Jack Kolb Subject: Re: body snatching [11251] [11254] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:54:57 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE" Subject: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:17:40 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE" Subject: Robert Chambers page [11256] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:24:21 -0700 From: Jeff Sargent Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11257] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Champ Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:42:04 -0600 (MDT) From: "p.h.wood" Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11259] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:48:05 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11260] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jo Churcher Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11261] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:50:37 -0700 From: Christopher Roden Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11262] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Gullette Subject: Sam Moskowitz, R.I.P. [11263] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kujen(at)aol.com Subject: from the Victorian list [11264] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 22:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Champ Subject: Red Admiral [11265] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:38:00 -0700 From: Sherlene Subject: Re: Red Admiral [11265] [11266] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Debah(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Chieftans and Gypsies [11267] Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:14:05 -1100 From: jamunro(at)terranet.ab.ca (alan munro) Subject: Re: graverobber story [11234] [11268] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:01:51 -0700 (MST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by MtRoyal.AB.CA From: Moudry Subject: Re: Sam Moskowitz, R.I.P. [11263] [11269] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:42:29 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11270] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:37:56 +0000 From: azalcman(at)randomhouse.com Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11271] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:13:29 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11272] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:28:49 -0400 From: "John D. Squires" Subject: Sam Moskowitz, R. I. P. [11273] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:28:49 -0400 From: "John D. Squires" Subject: Sam Moskowitz, R. I. P. [11274] Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:33:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Ruth W. Jeffries" Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11260] [11275] -----------------------------THE POSTS----------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 03:30:12 -0700 From: Jack Kolb Subject: Re: graverobber story [11234] [11236] [11247] [11249] [11250] Thanks, Stephen, as usual. Stevenson's story seems the source, but I have certainly seen film versions with the plot I suggest. Cheers, Jack (kolb(at)ucla.edu). > Jack K., > Stevenson's "The body-snatcher" is part of the > Gaslight fiction webpage, it having been HTMLized for > us by Richard King. > > I think the scenario you first proposed is a > mix of graverobbing stories, unless you are thinking > of the scene where Fettes, as the doctor's asst., > receives the body of a woman he had just seen the > previous night, alive and healthy. I do not remember > if we are meaned to infer that she was a girlfriend. > > Stephen D > SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca > > www.mtroyal.ab.ca/programs/arts/english/gaslight > >
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:56:59 +0000 (UT) From: Jo Ann CitronSubject: body snatching [11251] I have only just come to this list and apologize if this is repetitive. Though it hardly answers Jack's question, I highly recommend Simon Schama's "Death of a Harvard Man," which originally appeared in Granta 34 and then was published in book form with another short piece. An excerpt follows: "Well, I have done some bad things in my time . . . I never liked it, having to sell cadavers to the students for dissection at twenty-five dollars a body, but how was I and Caroline and the children to live on the pittance the College paid me otherwise? In the taverns they called me a Resurrection Man and said that I had dug fresh graves on the Common and on Copps Hill to supply the students, but it was all stories, mostly; only I didn't ask questions of those who gave me the bodies. These days, with all them dying of the cholera and in a filthy state, there was a premium on a clean fresh corpse so I was doing everyone a good service wasn't I, being the middleman? The one time I had gone out in the night to do it myself I gagged from the badness of it and the smell of mushrooms from the earth, and threw up into the grave and swore off ever doing it again." _ _______________________ Jo Ann Citron jacitron(at)msn.com
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 09:44:10 -0500 From: "S.T. Karnick"Subject: Re: "The Purple Emperor" [11217] [11252] Dr. Champ's insights regarding "The Purple Emperor" are fine as always. Just a couple of additional observations. It's to be expected that a story in which two of the main characters are named after insects will display countless examples of humans acting like animals (or worse). Dr. Champ's observations of Darrel's mixed motives in solving the case is a good example, as is, of course, the cutthroat competition between the Purple Emperor and Red Admiral for supremacy in butterfly collecting in their little hamlet. The absurd intensity of their trivial pursuit approaches "Rape of the Lock" levels and is quite effectively satirical without being overdone. Terrec's animalistic vulgarity is another effective element, as are numerous phrases such as the following: "the blacik-and-blue marks . . . on her soft, round arm," "the look of fear . . . [in] her eyes," "he openly menaced the Purple Emperor," "I caught him by the throat before he could fire," "I thought he was going to attack me; but he was merely viciously drunk," "a nauseating lake of blood on the stone floor, in the center of which lay a human hand," "the mayor grunted . . . grunted again," and "[the Purple Emperor ends as] a foaming, howling lunatic." There is a large amount of physical fighting as well. Also effective is the use of lures. A prominent one is the use of insects to capture fish, which comprises the beginning, middle, and end of the story and in fact is the background for the Darrel's romance with Lys. Darrel uses various false flies to attract an trout, whereas Lys captures his heart without doing anything at all, and Darrel uses cythyl to lure an insect (Purple Emperor) to expose a crime just as the Purple Emperor (human, just barely) used it to lure the original specimen that starts the story. And of course the cythyl still on the corpse lures the butterfly which itself lures Darrel, Durand, and Fortin to the hollow bed beneath the hearthstone where the body lays buried. In addition, the handkerchief lures the police to suspect Darrel of the murder (although, as Dr. Champ points out, there never seems much likelihood that he'll be convicted; a small deficiency in an otherwise impressive story). It is also notable how many escape attempts are in the story. There are Darrel, Terrec, and the Purple Emperor, of course, attempting to escape conviction for murder; the trout trying to escape from Darrel; the butterfly escaping from its chrysalis and then back into the cafe after being gently tossed out the door; the Red Admiral's attempts to escape being murdered by his own son; Lys's escape from the "awful fight" at the Groix Inn; the Red Admiral's attempt to escape detection while he researches the use of cythyl and obtains a small supply ("he shut himself up three weeks ago"); and Lys's attempt to escape the cruelty of her uncle and the attentions of Terrec. Chambers achieves all this while maintaining a fairly light tone, which I think was a good idea considering the underlying nastiness of so much of the story. The vision of humanity we derive from this pleasant, bucolic Breton village is not a pretty one, but the elements of humor and hope, especially in the romance between Darrel and Lys, balance it effectively and express a guarded but distinct optimism. Best w's, S.T. Karnick
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:05:23 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"Subject: Etext avail: Ingoldsby's "The spectre of Tappington" [11253] SPCTRTAP.SHT Ingoldsby's "The spectre of Tappington" is now available as ASCII and on the website. The ASCII needs the emphasis added to certain phrases, and I would like to add the illustrations to the Website. Send to: mailserv(at)mtroyal.ab.ca the following command: send [gaslight]spctrtap.sht or visit www.mtroyal.ab.ca/programs/arts/english/gaslight Stephen D SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:50:58 -0700 From: Jack KolbSubject: Re: body snatching [11251] [11254] Many thanks, Jo Ann: wonderful. Jack (kolb(at)ulca.edu). >I have only just come to this list and apologize if this is repetitive. >Though it hardly answers Jack's question, I highly recommend Simon Schama's >"Death of a Harvard Man," which originally appeared in Granta 34 and then was >published in book form with another short piece. An excerpt follows: > > >"Well, I have done some bad things in my time . . . I never liked it, having >to sell cadavers to the students for dissection at twenty-five dollars a body, >but how was I and Caroline and the children to live on the pittance the >College paid me otherwise? In the taverns they called me a Resurrection Man >and said that I had dug fresh graves on the Common and on Copps Hill to supply >the students, but it was all stories, mostly; only I didn't ask questions of >those who gave me the bodies. These days, with all them dying of the cholera >and in a filthy state, there was a premium on a clean fresh corpse so I was >doing everyone a good service wasn't I, being the middleman? The one time I >had gone out in the night to do it myself I gagged from the badness of it and >the smell of mushrooms from the earth, and threw up into the grave and swore >off ever doing it again." >_ >_______________________ >Jo Ann Citron >jacitron(at)msn.com > >
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:54:57 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"Subject: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] My five-year old attended a puppet play on the weekend about a gypsy who steals children. I am aware that Gypsies were stock villains or shady characters in the melodrama of our period, but is there any evidence that they kidnapped? Stephen D SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:17:40 -0700 (MST) From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"Subject: Robert Chambers page [11256] I have to thank John Squires for sending me the hardcopy on which this week's etext is based, and also for putting me in touch with Henrick Johnsson who has created a Robert Chambers webpage at the address below: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5582/main.html Stephen D SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 14:24:21 -0700 From: Jeff SargentSubject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11257] On Apr 16, 2:54pm, STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE wrote: > Subject: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] > My five-year old attended a puppet play on the weekend > about a gypsy who steals children. I am aware that > Gypsies were stock villains or shady characters in the > melodrama of our period, but is there any evidence that > they kidnapped? > I don't know about evidence, but it was a common view. "I was carried away by Gypsies as a youth" used to be a stock humorous/colorful claim. Romantic, up there with opium dens and white slavers as innocent views of the darker side of life. Must dash. Sarge -- Comper Sarge Jeffery L. N. Sargent Tippett Studios 2741 Tenth Street Berkeley, CA 94710 (510) 649-9711 sarge(at)tippett.com jefs(at)dnai.com ----------------------------------------- Boredom is a vital problem for the moralist, since at least half of the sins of mankind are caused by the fear of it. - Bertrand Russell
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:30:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert ChampSubject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] I have never come across any evidence to show that the Gypsies kidnapped anyone, though it may well exist. It does remind me, however, that during the Middle Ages especially, European Jews were accused of doing the same thing--and not only of kidnapping but also murdering children in the service of obscene rites. (Very reminiscent of what is going on today with stories of ritual Satanic abuse.) The Gypsies were/are very clannish and dealt with the cadjos (whites) as little as possible. No doubt they engaged in petty scams and pilfering--but I would imagine that a crime as serious as kidnapping would have been avoided, considering how much Gypsies were loathed to begin with. I often think that being kidnapped by Gypsies was a childhood fantasy, something with which parents scared children and which children were always intrigued by. There is a writer in our period who wrote about the Gypsies, George Borrow, whose work I've often wanted to delve into. He wrote novels (_Lavengro_, _Romany Rye_, _The Bible in Spain_) but I have no idea if he ever wrote short stories on Gypsy themes. Gypsy folklore is a very interesting topic, and I hope one day we can investigate it. Bob Champ rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:42:04 -0600 (MDT) From: "p.h.wood"Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11259] On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE wrote: > My five-year old attended a puppet play on the weekend > about a gypsy who steals children. I am aware that > Gypsies were stock villains or shady characters in the > melodrama of our period, but is there any evidence that > they kidnapped? > Stephen D > SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca This was an item of folklore in England in the 18th/19th centuries according to my recollection. I have never seen any evidence; it cropped up in the famous trial of Elizabeth Canning (the source for Josephine Tey's "The Franchise Affair") and also in a folk-rhyme which goes: "My mother said I never should, Play with the gypsies in the wood. Down in the wood the grass was green. In came Sally with a tambourine. I came to a river with no bridge to get across, I paid five shillings for a blind white horse, I jumped upon its back and was off in a crack, Sally, tell my mother I am never coming back." Like so many of these rhymes, it leaves me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, with the sensation that there is more here than meets the eye. The tambourine was a gypsy instrument, from their Levantine background (originally the Rom came from the Indian sub-continent; there is a legend about their origin in The Land of the Great Horses, which was taken away from them, and turned them into wanderers. R. A. Lafferty used this as the basis for a science-fantasy story called "The Land of the Great Horses" in Harlan Ellison's anthology "Dangerous Visions" (1967)). The one-strand river, bridgeless and uncrossable, is the river of death, from which there is no returning. The blind white horse? The pale horse of Death from the Book of the Revelation of St. John the Divine, commonly termed "Revelations"? I have no idea. Passed to others for comments. Peter Wood
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:48:05 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11260] I have never read any evidence that Gypsies stole anybody's children. When questioned about this, in Jan Yoors' book, his Gypsy friends replied, "why should we steal others' children? We have plenty of our own!" athan ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 18:25:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Jo ChurcherSubject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11261] In _Five Children and It_, by E. Nesbit, the children, as a result of one of their rash wishes which the Psammead grants, are apprehensive that the Gipsies are going to kidnap the baby. One of the women tells them that there's no truth in that old story--that Gipsies usually have more than enough children of their own, and wouldn't be likely to want to kidnap anyone else's. Cheers! Jo On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE wrote: > My five-year old attended a puppet play on the weekend > about a gypsy who steals children. I am aware that > Gypsies were stock villains or shady characters in the > melodrama of our period, but is there any evidence that > they kidnapped? > > Stephen D > SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca >
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 15:50:37 -0700 From: Christopher RodenSubject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11262] Gaslighters might be interested to know, in relation to George Borrow, who was one of Conan Doyle's favourite writers, that we shall shortly be publishing an essay by Owen Dudley Edwards highlighting the influences of Borrow - and *Lavengro* in particular - on the Sherlock Holmes stories. There are fascinating associations and, as always with Edwards, it makes fascinating reading. The Essay will appear in *The Speckled Band*, the second of Calabash Press's new series, *The Case Files of Sherlock Holmes*. Christopher Roden At 05:30 PM 4/16/97 -0500, you wrote: >I have never come across any evidence to show that the Gypsies >kidnapped anyone, though it may well exist. It does remind me, >however, that during the Middle Ages especially, European Jews were >accused of doing the same thing--and not only of kidnapping but also >murdering children in the service of obscene rites. (Very reminiscent of >what is going on today with stories of ritual Satanic abuse.) > >The Gypsies were/are very clannish and dealt with the cadjos (whites) >as little as possible. No doubt they engaged in petty scams and >pilfering--but I would imagine that a crime as serious as kidnapping >would have been avoided, considering how much Gypsies were loathed to >begin with. > >I often think that being kidnapped by Gypsies was a childhood fantasy, >something with which parents scared children and which children were >always intrigued by. > >There is a writer in our period who wrote about the Gypsies, George Borrow, >whose work I've often wanted to delve into. He wrote novels (_Lavengro_, >_Romany Rye_, _The Bible in Spain_) but I have no idea if he ever wrote >short stories on Gypsy themes. Gypsy folklore is a very interesting topic, >and I hope one day we can investigate it. > >Bob Champ >rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu > > ************************************************* * Christopher Roden * * P.O. Box 1360 * * Ashcroft * * British Columbia * * Canada V0K 1A0 * * * * e-mail: ashtree(at)mail.netshop.net * *************************************************
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan GulletteSubject: Sam Moskowitz, R.I.P. [11263] Quoting from an email someone else forwarded: It is my sad duty to report that Sam Moskowitz died from complications of a heart attack on Tuesday, April 15. Sam was an irreplaceable asset in the fields of horror, fantasy and science fiction, in addition to being one of the all around great guys, and he will be sorely missed. Amen to that.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 20:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Kujen(at)aol.com Subject: from the Victorian list [11264] Forwarded Message: Date: 16, April 1997 8:55:38 AM From: GASKINS(at)WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (Avery F. Gaskins) Subj: Refrain Audacious Tar Your Suit From Pressing.... To: VICTORIA(at)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU From: GASKINS(at)WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (Avery F. Gaskins) Sender: VICTORIA(at)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society) Reply-to: VICTORIA(at)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU (VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society) To: VICTORIA(at)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Comments-on: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Comments-of: "Avery F. Gaskins"I thought this fit in with an earlier thread on uses of Victorian lit. in the 20th Cen. Besides, it's entertaining. AFG ***----------------------> Original Mail From <----------------------*** "P.W. Conner" ***------------------------------------------------------------------*** Ya just gotta love this; it appeared on ANSAXNET, thus ending a silly discussion on whether pre-Christian Anglo-Saxons were mysogynists or not. [This is dedicated to Hayden Ward...] "Heroine Barbarian" by Kevin Wald >> [We join our operetta already in progress. The infamous Pirates of Pergamum >> have just seized a bevy of beautiful Mytilenean maidens, and are attempting >> to carry them off for matrimonial purposes. Gabrielle intervenes, with a >> recitative (well, it's better than a pan flute solo):] >> >> Gabrielle: Hold, scoundrels! Ere ye practice acts of villainy >> Upon the peaceful and agrarian, >> Just bear in mind, these maidens of My-TIL-ene[1] >> Are guarded by a buff barbarian! >> >> Pirates: We'd better all rethink our cunning plan; >> They're guarded by a buff barbarian. >> >> Maidens: Yes, yes, she is a buff barbarian. >> >> [Xena leaps in from the wings, with a tremendous war cry, does a mid-air >> somersault, and lands on her feet on the Pirate King's chest.] >> >> Xena: Yes, yes, I am a buff barbarian! [The orchestra starts up.] >> >> I am the very model of a heroine barbarian; >> Through Herculean efforts, I've become humanitarian. >> I ride throughout the hinterland -- at least that's what they call it in >> Those sissy towns like Athens (I, myself, am Amphipolitan). >> I travel with a poet who is perky and parthenian[2] >> And scribbles her hexameters in Linear Mycenian[3] >> (And many have attempted, by a host of methods mystical, >> To tell if our relationship's sororal or sapphistical). >> >> Chorus: To tell if their relationship's sororal or sapphistical! >> To tell if their relationship's sororal or sapphistical! >> To tell if their relationship's sororal or sapphisti-phistical! >> >> Xena: My armory is brazen, but my weapons are ironical; >> My sword is rather phallic, but my chakram's rather yonical[4] >> (To find out what that means, you'll have to study Indo-Aryan[5]). >> I am the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> Chorus: To find out what that means, we'll have to study Indo-Aryan -- >> She is the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> Xena: I wake up every morning, ere the dawn is rhododactylous[6] >> (Who needs to wait for daylight? I just work by _sensus tactilis_[7].) >> And ride into the sunrise to protect some local villagers >> From mythologic monsters or from all-too-human pillagers. >> I hurtle towards each villain with a recklessness ebullient >> And cow him with my swordwork and my alalaes ululient[8]; >> He's frightened for his head, because he knows I'm gonna whack it -- he's >> Aware that his opponent is the _Basileia Makhetes_! >> >> [The music crashes to a halt, as the Chorus stares at Xena in utter >> confusion. She sighs.] It's *Greek*. It means "Warrior Princess"! >> [Light dawns on the Chorus, and the music resumes.] Sheesh . . . >> >> Chorus: He knows that his opponent is the _Basileia Makhetes_! >> He knows that his opponent is the _Basileia Makhetes_! >> He knows that his opponent is the _Basileia Makhe-makhetes_, >> >> Xena: Because I've got my armor, which is really rather silly, on >> (It's cut so low I feel like I'm the topless tow'rs of Ilion, >> And isn't any use against attackers sagittarian[9]). >> I am the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> Chorus: It isn't any use against attackers sagittarian -- >> She is the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> Xena: In short, when I can tell you how I break the laws of gravity, >> And why my togs expose my intermammary concavity, >> And why my comrade changed her dress from one that fit more comfily >> To one that shows her omphalos[10] (as cute as that of Omphale[11]), >> And why the tale of Spartacus appears in Homer's versicon[12], >> [She holds up a tomato:] >> And where we found examples of the genus _Lycopersicon_[13], >> And why this Grecian scenery looks more like the Antipodes, >> You'll say I'm twice the heroine of any in Euripides! >> >> Chorus: We'll say she's twice the heroine of any in Euripides! >> We'll say she's twice the heroine of any in Euripides! >> We'll say she's twice the heroine of any in Euripi-ripides! >> >> Xena: But though the kinked chronology, confusing and chimerical >> (It's often unhistorical, but rarely unhysterical), >> Would give a massive heart attack to any antiquarian, >> I am the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> Chorus: 'Twould give a massive heart attack to any antiquarian -- >> She is the very model of a heroine barbarian! >> >> [As the orchestra plays the final chords, a wild Xenaesque melee ensues, >> and the curtain has to be brought down.] >> >> >> Notes: >> >> [1] Actually, "Mytilene" would properly be accented on the third syllable; >> Gabrielle always did have trouble with rhymes. (Mytilene, incidentally, >> is a city on the isle of Lesbos -- the hometown of the poet Sappho, as >> a matter of fact. It is not clear what, if anything, Gilbert is trying >> to imply here.) >> >> [2] parthenian: virginal. >> >> [3] Linear Mycenian: Mycenian is the ancient dialect of Greek which was >> written in Linear B (a form of Greek writing that predates the adoption >> of the alphabet). The implication is that Gabrielle does her writing >> in Linear B; if _Xena_ takes place around the time of the Trojan war, >> this is chronologically reasonable. >> >> [4] yonical: "Yonic" is the female counterpart to "phallic". >> >> [5] Indo-Aryan: The language group consisting of Sanskrit and its close >> relatives. Both "chakram" and "yonic" are of Sanskrit derivation. >> >> [6] rhododactylous: rosy-fingered. (Homer makes frequent reference to >> _rhododaktulos eos_ -- "rosy-fingered dawn".) >> >> [7] _sensus tactilis_: Latin for "the sense of touch". >> >> [8] "Alalaes" are war-cries (the Greeks spelled a Xena-like war cry as >> _alala_ or _alale_) and "ululient" is a coined term, apparently >> meaning "characterized by ululation". >> >> [9] sagittarian: archer-like. >> >> [10] omphalos: belly-button. >> >> [11] Omphale: Legendary queen of Lydia. From context, we must assume >> that she had a cute belly-button; however, no known classical source >> seems to address this vital issue. >> >> [12] versicon: a coined term, apparently meaning "collection of verse". >> >> [13] _Lycopersicon_: the biological genus to which tomatoes are assigned. >> (The tomato is a New World plant, and was entirely unknown in the >> Old World in pre-Columbian times. Thus, having tomatoes in a _Xena_ish >> context is an even greater anachronism than having Homer tell the tale >> of Spartacus.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick W. Conner pconner(at)wvu.edu Department of English P.O.Box 6296 office(304) 293-3107 West Virginia University home(304) 292-2640 Morgantown, WV 26506 fax(304) 293-5380 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ***---------------------> End of Original Mail <---------------------*** ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- From owner-victoria(at)IUBVM.UCS.INDIANA.EDU Wed Apr 16 08:43:45 1997 After all the trouble I caused Mario, Sherlene, and no doubt others in hunting down the elusive Purple Emperor butterfly on the Web, I almost hesitate to give a URL for the Red Admiral, but in the hope that there are websters out there who will, in case of similar trouble, point us to better routes (as Marsha and Jeff did for the PE), I offer the following: www.anglia.co.uk/angmulti/garden/admiral.html The photo here shows the Red Admiral in flight. It isn't quite as gorgeous as the Purple Emperor, but it is a very fine, color creature. I also discovered that there is a tune called "The Red Admiral Butterfly" which appears as a cut on an album by James Galway and the Chieftains. Anyone heard it? Bob Champ (who thinks he's seen that Xena parody before ) rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 21:38:00 -0700 From: SherleneSubject: Re: Red Admiral [11265] [11266] Robert Champ wrote: > > After all the trouble I caused Mario, Sherlene, and no doubt > others in hunting down the elusive Purple Emperor butterfly > on the Web, I almost hesitate to give a URL for the > Red Admiral, but in the hope that there are websters out > there who will, in case of similar trouble, point us > to better routes (as Marsha and Jeff did for the PE), I offer the > following: > > http://www.anglia.co.uk/angmulti/garden/admiral.html > > The photo here shows the Red Admiral in flight. It isn't > quite as gorgeous as the Purple Emperor, but it is a very > fine, color creature. > > I also discovered that there is a tune called "The Red > Admiral Butterfly" which appears as a cut on an album by > James Galway and the Chieftains. Anyone heard it? > > Bob Champ (who thinks he's seen that Xena parody before ) > rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu No trouble ol man, think nothing of it. Surfing is the name of the game! The Chieftains, are they not an American Okie group? Sherlene
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Debah(at)aol.com Subject: Re: Chieftans and Gypsies [11267] The Chieftans are an Irish group who are known for the traditional instruments and tunes they play. They began branching out a few years ago to other tunes but they are best known for their beautiful Irish fiddle tunes which I think best. And just in case, since no one mentioned it "Gypsies" is a misnomer, it is guessed from thinking that they came from Egypt rather than the Indian sub-continent. Doesn't the Romany language have something in common with Urdu or Hindustani? Deborah McMillion
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 23:14:05 -1100 From: jamunro(at)terranet.ab.ca (alan munro) Subject: Re: graverobber story [11234] [11268] Indubitably, one of a number of works on the exploits of Burke and Hare who started out as graverobbers supplying the anotomy department of (I believe) the University of Edinburgh. Unfortunately, their capitalistic natures got the better of them and they saw that prime prices were to be had for fresh flesh and so took to speeding the passing of some unfortunates. They have beenfictionalized and trivialized and even bowlderized in song and dance. Still they show up well in black and white.>> Was the story Stevenson's "The Body Snatchers," by any chance?? >>linda > >That sounds right, Linda. Alas, I don't have a copy handy. Additional info >would be most helpful. Cheers, Jack. > > > >Jack Kolb >Dept. of English, UCLA >kolb(at)ucla.edu > > > J. Alan Munro jamunro(at)terranet.ab.ca Counsel for the Damned Time wounds all heels. Shilling taker and He who laughs, lasts. Convict baker.
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:01:51 -0700 (MST) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by MtRoyal.AB.CA From: MoudrySubject: Re: Sam Moskowitz, R.I.P. [11263] [11269] At 16:58 16/4/97 -0700, Alan Gullette wrote: >Quoting from an email someone else forwarded: > > It is my sad duty to report that Sam Moskowitz died from complications > of a heart attack on Tuesday, April 15. Sam was an irreplaceable asset > in the fields of horror, fantasy and science fiction, in addition to > being one of the all around great guys, and he will be sorely missed. > >Amen to that. > > Really sad news. SaM (as his name was typed for decades) was one of the most knowledgable researchers in the fields of science fiction, fantasy, and the weird and a very rare person who had a compulsion to share his information and stories with all of us. I trust that he made provisions for his collections to be taken care of, without being brokwn up, so that future generations may taste the essence of the fiction of the pulp era. Goodbye, SaM. Joe Moudry voice: (205) 934-3945 Development & Training fax: (205) 934-6530 The Univ. of Alabama (at) Birmingham Moudry(at)uab.edu UAB's HRM Webmaster: www-hrm1.vpad/uab.edu Saturn Web: www-hrm1.vpad.uab.edu/saturn Producer/host: Classic Jazz, Big Band Jazz, & New Jazz on WUAL (91.5 FM, Tuscaloosa/Birmingham), WQPR (88.7 FM, Muscle Shoals/NW Alabama), & WAPR (88.3 FM, Selma/Central Alabama) /|/
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:42:29 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11270] during the Middle Ages especially, European Jews were >accused of doing the same thing--and not only of kidnapping but also >murdering children in the service of obscene rites. Um, yes. They were accused of cannibalism, in fact. Eating the little ones at Passover, or some such. >I often think that being kidnapped by Gypsies was a childhood fantasy, >something with which parents scared children and which children were >always intrigued by. This is probably quite so, although it also makes me wonder where kids pick up the idea. The puppet show mentioned in the original post is a good example, I imagine. I am wondering where *I* picked it up, though, because I have no recollection of ever hearing about Gypsies as a small child--yet I once accused *my* mother of stealing *me* FROM the gypsies!! A different twist on the notion, to be sure. >Gypsy folklore is a very interesting topic,and I hope one day we can >investigate it. May I second this motion? It's one of my major fascinations. > Athan ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:37:56 +0000 From: azalcman(at)randomhouse.com Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] [11271] A little off the path of child snatching (pretty much a myth) but for those who would like to learn more about Gypsies, a wonderful book came out about a year ago called BURY ME STANDING, about life among modern Gypsies. It also discusses the Gypsies' history as well as their relationships with other peoples. The author (I'm sorry, I've forgotten her name) lived with a group of Gypsies and some of her insights such as why (and how) they would keep a horse in an apartment building were fascinating. Amelia Zalcman AZalcman(at)randomhouse.com ))))))))) Previous Notes Mail (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( To: GASLIGHT (at) mtroyal.ab.ca (at) SMTP cc: (bcc: Amelia Zalcman/Ballantine/RandomHouse) From: rchamp (at) europa.umuc.edu (Robert Champ) (at) SMTP Date: 04/16/97 05:30 PM Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11258] I have never come across any evidence to show that the Gypsies kidnapped anyone, though it may well exist. It does remind me, however, that during the Middle Ages especially, European Jews were accused of doing the same thing--and not only of kidnapping but also murdering children in the service of obscene rites. (Very reminiscent of what is going on today with stories of ritual Satanic abuse.) The Gypsies were/are very clannish and dealt with the cadjos (whites) as little as possible. No doubt they engaged in petty scams and pilfering--but I would imagine that a crime as serious as kidnapping would have been avoided, considering how much Gypsies were loathed to begin with. I often think that being kidnapped by Gypsies was a childhood fantasy, something with which parents scared children and which children were always intrigued by. There is a writer in our period who wrote about the Gypsies, George Borrow, whose work I've often wanted to delve into. He wrote novels (_Lavengro_, _Romany Rye_, _The Bible in Spain_) but I have no idea if he ever wrote short stories on Gypsy themes. Gypsy folklore is a very interesting topic, and I hope one day we can investigate it. Bob Champ rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:13:29 -0500 From: ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (athan y chilton) Subject: re: Naive question about Gypsies [11272] BURY ME STANDING Isabel Fonseca is the author. One of the more fascinating and revealing incidents she describes is that despite the apparent slovenliness of the 'settled' Rom's living conditions, Isabel was not permitted to bathe herself. Two young 'bori' (daughters-in-law) were detailed to perform this duty, in order that the 'gajo' woman would not be unclean by Rom standards. This relates to their concept of 'marhime' which might be seen as both a woman's power and as a negative view of her physicality. There is a considerable discussion of this belief in Jan Yoors' book 'The Gypsies' as well. The contrast between these two books is quite enlightening, as Yoors' book was written mostly before WWII, when many European Rom were still nomadic, while Fonseca's is current. Athan ayc(at)ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:28:49 -0400 From: "John D. Squires"Subject: Sam Moskowitz, R. I. P. [11273] 4/17/97 Gaslighters, I was saddened to learn from Alan 's e-mail this morning of SaM's passing. We had corresponded off & on since 1979, sometimes bickering over our divergent readings of Shiel, but more often with friendly exchanges. I will miss the books he didn't finish, but appreciate the ones he already gave us all the more. A further copy of my nomination to the 1996 Gaslight Hall of Fame should go out with this. I regret I didn't send Sam a copy. John Squires Shiel_Search(at)compuserve.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:28:49 -0400 From: "John D. Squires"Subject: Sam Moskowitz, R. I. P. [11274] To: "INTERNET:gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA", INTERNET:gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA From: INTERNET:gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA, INTERNET:gaslight(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Date: 1/23/97, 4:33 PM Re: Re: Call for nominations to Gaslight 1996 Hall of Fame [10531] [10533] [10536] [10558] Sender: gaslight-error(at)MtRoyal.AB.CA Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA16283; Thu, 23 Jan 1997 11:49:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 07:51:56 -0500 From: "John D. Squires" <105326.3351(at)compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Call for nominations to Gaslight 1996 Hall of Fame [10531] [10533] [10536] [10558] Comments: Gaslight Literary Discussion List Dear Gaslighters, Ignoring for the moment my primary obsessions with M. P. Shiel, I would recommend the following authors for the 1996 Hall of Fame: William Hope Hodgson (1877-1918) Arthur Machen (1863-1947), and E. F. Benson (1867-1940). For Editor/Critic, I would recommend Sam Moskowitz. Among many others, he edited Science Fiction by Gaslight: A History and Anthology of Science Fiction in the Popular Magazines, 1891-1911, World, (1968); Under the Moons of Mars: A History and Anthology of "The Scientific Romance" in the Munsey Magazines, 1912-1920, World, (1970); and The Crystal Man: Stories by Edward Page Mitchell, Doubleday, (1973). His books touching on gaslight authors include Science Fiction in Old San Francisco: The History of the Movement from 1854 to 1890, Donald Grant, (1980) (with a companion anthology of fiction), and Explorers of the Infinite: Shapers of Science Fiction, World, (1963). Other important collections include three volumes of William Hope Hodgson's stories, all published by Donald M. Grant with substantial introductory essays on Hodgson by Moskowitz, Out of the Storm (1975), The Haunted Pampero (1991, reprinted 1996), and Terrors of the Sea (1996). While I have not agreed with certain of his opinions, everyone interested in gaslight authors owes Mr. Moskowitz an incalculable debt for the many treasures he has managed to salvage from rare, musty and almost forgotten periodicals of the era. I can think of no other living editor more deserving of this group's commendation. John Squires Shiel_Search(at)compuserve.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:33:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Ruth W. Jeffries"Subject: Re: Naive question about Gypsies [11255] [11260] [11275] >I have never read any evidence that Gypsies stole anybody's children. When >questioned about this, in Jan Yoors' book, his Gypsy friends replied, "why >should we steal others' children? We have plenty of our own!" Part (only one of many) of the implication at the time was that gypsies literally "kidnapped"--holding the children of wealthy parents for ransom money. Whether there are any documented cases of this actually having happened I haven't heard. The folk-rhyme Peter Wood quoted associates the gypsy stories with those of the fairies, who stole away children who were never seen again. There are several encounters with gypsies in nineteenth-century novels, but the only one I can think of in a short story (which doesn't turn out to be a gypsy, anyway, if memory serves aright) is in Mrs. Henry Wood's first (and second, follow-up) story in the first volume of the _Johnny Ludlow_ series. Why don't we all keep our eyes out for gypsy short stories? Ruth Jeffries University of Minnesota jeff0002(at)gold.tc.umn.edu End of Gaslight digest.