Gaslight digest of discussion from 97-mar-31 to 97-apr-01
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:38:19 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Etext avail: Proctor's "A novelist's favourite theme" [11134]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:46:56 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Drood's resurrection [11135]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:38:51 -0600
From: "Marsha J. Valance"
Subject: Goodbye to Bob the horse [11136]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:46:19 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:35:05 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Goodbye to Bob the horse [11136] [11138]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:36:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Carlisle
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11139]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:12:10 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Douglas Fairbanks [11140]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:02:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: CHAT: Mr. Gildy's Smart Remarks [11141]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:44:38 -0600
From: pudljmpr(at)unicom.net (Michael Keating)
Subject: Re: Whoa Mickey! [11131] [11142]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:01:28 -0800
From: jporter(at)ricochet.net (Julie Porter)
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11143]
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:13:12 -0800
From: jporter(at)ricochet.net (Julie Porter)
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11139] [11144]
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:27:07 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11143] [11145]
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:13:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Roslyn R Foy
Subject: space between conference [11146]
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:34:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: RE: space between conference [11146] [11147]
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:07:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "linda j. holland-toll"
Subject: Re: space between conference [11146] [11148]
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:13:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "linda j. holland-toll"
Subject: RE: space between conference [11146] [11147] [11149]
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:38:19 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Etext avail: Proctor's "A novelist's favourite theme" [11134]
DRUDFVTH.NON 35 kb
R.A. Proctor was a science writer in the 1880's,
who became obsessed with the Drood mystery. This
article in _Cornhill_ was followed by many others
in his own periodical, _Knowledge_, and finally a
book on the subject.
Send to: mailserv(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
The following command:
send [gaslight]drudfvth.non
Stephen D
SDavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 00:46:56 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Drood's resurrection [11135]
I grow more convinced of Helena's masculine masquerade,
but I realize now that the part she was "born to play"
would be that of her twin brother, Neville. I am not
sure under what circumstances this would take place.
Bazzard, the dilettante playwright, probably constructs
the denouement wherein Jasper is confronted by Drood's
likeness in the tomb.
Why do some critics sneer at other commentators who say
this scene takes place in the *crypt*?
I like Julie P.'s characterization of this as a "drowning
novel". To be more literal than symbolic, I just remembered
that Rosa's mother drowned.
Stephen D
Sdavies(at)mtroyal.ab.ca
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:38:51 -0600
From: "Marsha J. Valance"
Subject: Goodbye to Bob the horse [11136]
Robert A. Heinlein 117249 (Garwood Trophy x Mikk's Gay Glady) was put down
on Good Friday, March 28 (the birthday of my niece Jenny, who always wanted
Bobby for her horse). He had started refusing the tubing, so there was
nothing else to do. His friends bathed him, and groomed him, and plaited
ribbons in his beautiful wavy mane. He is buried under a tree in the
broodmare pasture at Castle Ridge Keep. June's husband James summed it
up best when he said "I've lost a friend". As have we all.
Marsha
"Frontiers of any type, physical or mental, are but a challenge to our
breed. ... . If we will it, not only the wonders of space, but the very
stars are ours!" --Andre Norton
** The folks at Tribute Farm -- the Valances (human), Gay Tribute, Andre
Norton, & Tony Fennelly (equine), Brownie (canine), and Nathan Detroit,
Nicely-Nicely, & Miss Adelaide (feline). **
Tribute Farm: Storytellers & Morgan horses
6639 West Dodge Place
,--, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA 53220-1329 ^ ^
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:46:19 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137]
Julie Porter wrote, in part,
> The romatisisim that is represented by the germanic had as an adapter the
> author Goerge Mac Donald. now known best for some rather intreaging
> childrens tales and Two rather bizzare storys that gave birth to the
works
> of Tolken and Lewis. MacDonald was the most popular author in the empire.
> He wrote 50 or sixty mindless books which pleased the Queen. I have tried
> to read some of these, they are unreadable by the modern reader. Rosa
Budd
> would have probably been a fan of the poor Mr MacDonald, who lived at
royal
> expence as long as he wrote pap.
I think it quite inaccurate to refer to MacDonald's books as mindless, and
the implications that he was an imperialist and wrote either for money or
as a pawn of the Queen are certainly incorrect. MacDonald was a Scottish
parson, and wrote to express his evangelical Christian beliefs, which may
be why the note refers to his works as mindless. Many others, however,
including me, find his works quite interesting and provocative.
Best w's,
S.T. Karnick
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:35:05 -0700 (MST)
From: "STEPHEN DAVIES, MT. ROYAL COLLEGE"
Subject: Re: Goodbye to Bob the horse [11136] [11138]
Marsha,
I'm very sorry to hear that Bob the horse has
passed away. If our collective good wishes couldn't
save him, I hope they at least reached him and soothed
him in some way.
I think most of us these days overlook the
importance of horses as our cohabitants, in the
development and survival of our civilization.
And we don't just love them for their muscles.
Their large eyes, performing the silent critique of
their culture, allow a mutual bond to form.
Stephen
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:36:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Carlisle
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11139]
I must admit to being fond of some of MacDonald's writings for children,
though they are certainly more difficult to read as an adult, since
my sweetness threshold seems to have gone down. I agree with Sam
that "mindless" is hardly the appropriate word here.
I do think that we are all conditioned by the books we read in childhood
to enjoy certain literary conventions and imagery. I always sink into
Edith Nesbit's best work as into a luscious armchair, and into an
Alcott novel as into an embrace.
Meeting certain authors an an adult can be a very different experience,
though if they have that SOMETHING that other books held as children,
it is possible to share some of that special and magical experience.
For instance, I didn't find Jane Langton's "juvie" writing until a year
ago, but I'll bet I get as much out of it as any child.
Kiwi Carlisle
carlisle(at)wuchem.wustl.edu
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:12:10 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Douglas Fairbanks [11140]
Cable-ready U.S. gaslighters will be pleased to hear that four films by
Gaslight-era filmmaker Douglas Fairbanks are on display this week, albeit
at approx. 5:30 a.m. EST. American Movie Classics is showing ZORRO, DON Q
- SON OF ZORRO, THE THREE MUSKETEERS, and ROBIN HOOD, Wednesday through
Saturday, respectively. I've seen three of the four, and they're great
films. Fire up those VCRs!
Best w's,
S.T. Karnick
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:02:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Debah(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: CHAT: Mr. Gildy's Smart Remarks [11141]
--will never go unnoticed. Potpourri Magazine is an arts magazine Mr. Gildy
helps (art director?) produce. Poetry (don't mention blank verse in his
hearing), stories, and artwork. He asked for submissions months ago but I
guess I'm the only one who actually was crazed enough to take him up on it.
And after a delay of 6 mos. while he was working on his sauce it appears to
finally be out. I gather, Gildy, the art turned out? If interested in
writing UPBEAT stories or perhaps a poem about the positive aspects of one's
life for submission one should contact (or deluge) Mr. Gildy with proposals.
Just so I won't be the only target...er...lone submitter.
I would never be so gauche as to send something UPS to seek such a petty
thing as...revenge. Mr. Gildy is well aware of how one can be tormented.
Remember...I'm the one who "helped" him get his library books back finally.
Most sincerely,
Deborah McMillion
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:44:38 -0600
From: pudljmpr(at)unicom.net (Michael Keating)
Subject: Re: Whoa Mickey! [11131] [11142]
Potpourri is a lit mag that I vol my time to. In the past I have asked
Gaslighters to send in upbeat stories since all we seem to get these days
are downers and we could use a shot of humor to offset the 90's idea of a
wopping great yarn. So far not much from you folks has come in. I
practically got down on my knees and begged Deborah for some of her work.
She was very kind in sending the mag some of her work. Most of her art is
in color and the rag is in black and white, thus not setting off her work
to its best advantage. But good work continues to please set off properly
or not and Deborah's picture on the back cover lends the magazine the class
it deserves. If anyone on this list makes enough money to afford to buy a
copy, it's worth it just to see Deborah's outstanding cover. Send $4.95 to
Potpourri Publications Company P.O. Box 8278 Prairie Village, KS
66208-0278.
Ms. McMillion's work continues to grow by leaps and bounds dispite her
living with two technonurds in a city of dieing old people. I have nothing
but the highest respect for her art as does anyone who is fortunate enough
to look upon it.
Michael Keating
P.S. thank you for sauceing up yer bird with my stuff. RoadKill or
Buffalo Whiz??? What am I thinking. It's Linda so it must be Whisky Basin
on the rocks with a twist. Wait until you try our new Acid Rain Hot Sauce
and Barbeque Sauce.
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:01:28 -0800
From: jporter(at)ricochet.net (Julie Porter)
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11143]
>Julie Porter wrote, in part,
>
>> The romatisisim that is represented by the germanic had as an adapter the
>> author Goerge Mac Donald. now known best for some rather intreaging
>> childrens tales and Two rather bizzare storys that gave birth to the
>works
>> of Tolken and Lewis. MacDonald was the most popular author in the empire.
>> He wrote 50 or sixty mindless books which pleased the Queen. I have tried
>> to read some of these, they are unreadable by the modern reader. Rosa
>Budd
>> would have probably been a fan of the poor Mr MacDonald, who lived at
>royal
>> expence as long as he wrote pap.
>
>I think it quite inaccurate to refer to MacDonald's books as mindless, and
>the implications that he was an imperialist and wrote either for money or
>as a pawn of the Queen are certainly incorrect. MacDonald was a Scottish
>parson, and wrote to express his evangelical Christian beliefs, which may
>be why the note refers to his works as mindless. Many others, however,
>including me, find his works quite interesting and provocative.
>
>Best w's,
Perhaps I am beeing a bit strong when I say mindless. There is some
facinating imagry in his works other than _Phantastes_ and _Lilith_. The
thing is that compared to thos two his works for hire, are rather bland. As
I undestand from reading some background on him. He was a failed parson, in
that he had some rather interesting ideas regarding christianity. I went
though a whole MacDonald Phase. A company was reprinting his works
unexprugiated, I got about 10 or so. I Sold them in a period of economic
decline about 7 years ago.
I also recall in some referneces that he apealed to "Rosa Budd" type
ladies. Fortunaly he did leave us with some amazing children and Fairy
Stories. These are much darker and I would definatly say these are
"interesting and provocative.", What I am refering to is the 30 or so books
that are sort of Christian Appologia. (Why does a religion need an
applogy?). C.S Lewis seems to have followed in this matter as well.
I would also say that he was not a pawn of the queen. He did however live
in a Grace and favor house. His son Greville MacDonald wrote an off quoted
biography. Unfortunalty I sold off many of those books so I can not look up
where I got these impressions from. I still do have copies of the fairy
stories, the childrens work, Phantasies and Lilith. Ill see if any of those
have some of this background.
A word of warning. A christain publisher was butcherd some of the titles.
Cutting whole chapters & rewriting whole sections in modern bible thumper
engilsh. Be careful.
-jP
>
>S.T. Karnick
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Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:13:12 -0800
From: jporter(at)ricochet.net (Julie Porter)
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11139] [11144]
>I must admit to being fond of some of MacDonald's writings for children,
>though they are certainly more difficult to read as an adult, since
>my sweetness threshold seems to have gone down. I agree with Sam
>that "mindless" is hardly the appropriate word here.
I hope I am clear that I am not refering to MacDonald's Childrens work. I
am refering to the massive quantity of his "Adult" works.
I find _Princess and Curdie_ to still be readable as an adult. _Princess
and the Goblin_ does have a bit of shugar to it. The fairy stories are
definatly not sweet. _Cross purposes_ is something everyone should read.
Some of these are rather dark.
>
>I do think that we are all conditioned by the books we read in childhood
>to enjoy certain literary conventions and imagery. I always sink into
>Edith Nesbit's best work as into a luscious armchair, and into an
>Alcott novel as into an embrace.
Wow someone else who read Nesbit. (I hope more than the _Railway
Children_). I always like the samithing (forget the name of it). Here
imagary shaped much of my childhood. Gave me almost a classica education,
which causes much problem in dealing with modern people.
>
>Meeting certain authors an an adult can be a very different experience,
>though if they have that SOMETHING that other books held as children,
>it is possible to share some of that special and magical experience.
>For instance, I didn't find Jane Langton's "juvie" writing until a year
>ago, but I'll bet I get as much out of it as any child.
I still revisit certain childrens stories. I find the magic still exists.
The real probem is overreading.
-jP
>
>Kiwi Carlisle
>carlisle(at)wuchem.wustl.edu
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 09:27:07 -0500
From: "S.T. Karnick"
Subject: Re: MacDonald [11116] [11137] [11143] [11145]
Julie Porter wrote, in part,
> Perhaps I am beeing a bit strong when I say mindless. There is some
> facinating imagry in his works other than _Phantastes_ and _Lilith_. The
> thing is that compared to thos two his works for hire, are rather bland.
As
> I undestand from reading some background on him. He was a failed parson,
in
> that he had some rather interesting ideas regarding christianity. I went
> though a whole MacDonald Phase. A company was reprinting his works
> unexprugiated, I got about 10 or so. I Sold them in a period of economic
> decline about 7 years ago.
The notion that the bulk of MacDonald's writings are not up to his best is
certainly true, but true of all writers who produce more than three or four
books. I have heard of no evidence that he failed as a parson; to my
knowledge he simply had a talent for writing and utilized it.
> I also recall in some referneces that he apealed to "Rosa Budd" type
> ladies. Fortunaly he did leave us with some amazing children and Fairy
> Stories. These are much darker and I would definatly say these are
> "interesting and provocative.", What I am refering to is the 30 or so
books
> that are sort of Christian Appologia. (Why does a religion need an
> applogy?)
Because some people are so inclined to attack it. This use of the term is
in fact the original meaning of _apology_ -- that of giving a formal,
rational defense of a proposition, rather than apologizing for it as in the
now-common sense of the word -- see your dictionary for more explication.
The reason people use the word is that it emphasizes the formal nature of
the reasoning in contrast to emotional defensiveness -- the exact opposite
of the impression people commonly get when one uses the word today.
Having read a good number of MacDonald's apologetics, I can say that they
are quite interesting and provocative without being in any way perverse.
The notion that he was sexually predatory is new to me, and I consider it
quite suspect, given everything else we know about him.
[edit]
> A word of warning. A christain publisher was butcherd some of the titles.
> Cutting whole chapters & rewriting whole sections in modern bible thumper
> engilsh. Be careful.
Yes, these are dreadful, although I would take objection to the term _bible
thumper_, which is a type of epithet that would not be allowed in public
against any other group.
Best w's,
S.T. Karnick
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 19:13:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Roslyn R Foy
Subject: space between conference [11146]
Dear Professor Holland-Toll,
I recently received a message from a publisher friend about the
conference on "the space between" to be held in Reno in October. Could
you give me a bit more info on the conference? Is it a graduate student
conference? I am not familiar with a conference at the University of
Nevada, Reno, and would appreciate any additional information. I wrote my
dissertation on a female modernist, Mary Butts, who died in the "space
between" in 1937. Her work is presently experiencing a renaissance with
the reissuing of several of her novels and a biography due out this year.
She would, I think, fit nicely into the scope of the conference.
Thank you in advance for your response,
Roslyn R. Foy
rfoy(at)mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:34:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Champ
Subject: RE: space between conference [11146] [11147]
Roslyn's post seems to have been misdirected, but my curiosity has
been aroused. What is "the space between"? Sounds like a trendy
bar, but conferences about bars are few and far between. (The
more's the pity.)
Bob Champ
rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:07:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "linda j. holland-toll"
Subject: Re: space between conference [11146] [11148]
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Roslyn R Foy wrote:
> Dear Professor Holland-Toll,
> I recently received a message from a publisher friend about the
> conference on "the space between" to be held in Reno in October. Could
> you give me a bit more info on the conference? Is it a graduate student
> conference? I am not familiar with a conference at the University of
> Nevada, Reno, and would appreciate any additional information. I wrote my
> dissertation on a female modernist, Mary Butts, who died in the "space
> between" in 1937. Her work is presently experiencing a renaissance with
> the reissuing of several of her novels and a biography due out this year.
> She would, I think, fit nicely into the scope of the conference.
> Thank you in advance for your response,
>
> Roslyn R. Foy
> rfoy(at)mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
>
Dear Dr. Foy--
I will be more than happy to send a copy of the CFP to you;
briefly, the conference is October 2 - 4 in Reno, Nevada at the University
of Nevada, Reno. It will deal with a wide and eclectic variety of texts in
the interdisciplinary fields of american and european history and
literature and foreign langue and philosoply and art history,etc. Send me
a 250 word abstract by may 1, if you are ilnterested and I will forward
the CFP to you in about 1 minute! regards, linda
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Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 20:13:58 -0800 (PST)
From: "linda j. holland-toll"
Subject: RE: space between conference [11146] [11147] [11149]
On Tue, 1 Apr 1997, Robert Champ wrote:
> Roslyn's post seems to have been misdirected, but my curiosity has
> been aroused. What is "the space between"? Sounds like a trendy
> bar, but conferences about bars are few and far between. (The
> more's the pity.)
>
> Bob Champ
> rchamp(at)europa.umuc.edu
>
Unfortunately, it is NOT a trendy bar; at this point in
organilzing an academic conference, i only wish it were! "The Space
Between" is a conference dealing with events between the dates of 1915 -
45; it is going to have papers on european and american history,
literature, philosophy,etc, and all types of papers are welcome; all types
of critical approaches welcome also. if you have any further questions,
let me know. meanwhile, i will forward a CFP to you. linda
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